Re: [Vo]:Adding Energy to get Energy

[Edmund Storms]

You can call it what you want. Jones called the muon reaction ""cold  
fusion" before he applied the term was applied to the F-P effect.   
Nevertheless, the products are those that result from hot fusion, i.e.  
equal amounts of neutron and tritium that result from fragmentation of  
the resulting helium nucleus.  In discussions, these two different  
nuclear processes MUST be described accurately and not confused with  
each other.  To make the description clear, hot fusion is the term  
applied to the reaction that fragments the helium and cold fusion is  
applied when helium itself is produced. Of course, the two different  
reactions have many other important differences. We just need to  
describe them so that we are clear about which reaction is being  
described.

Ed Storms
On Jun 1, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:

I thought we agreed to call Muon assisted fusion "warm fusion".

On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Edmund Storms  
<stor...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
We are taking about two different phenomenon of nature. Trying to  
use the
same concepts and words to describe both results in confusion.  
Those of us
who have studied cold fusion for the last 23 years have a  
definition of CF
that is not up for discussion.  Please try to understand what I'm  
telling
you.

Cold fusion and hot fusion require different conditions to cause  
their
initiation, they have different nuclear products, and they result at
different rates. These are facts and not a matter of arbitrary  
definition.

Cold fusion requires only a few eV for it to be initiated. In  
contrast, many
keV are required to cause hot fusion at the same rate.

Cold fusion produces helium while hot fusion produces fragments of  
helium.

Cold fusion requires a solid while hot fusion occurs in plasma.

Cold fusion does not produce neutrons, while hot fusion produces many
neutrons when the same amount of energy is released.

The term LENR is used to only describe cold fusion. It was not  
created for
it to be applied to hot fusion.





On Jun 1, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Jones Beene wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: Edmund Storms

Jones, please do not confuse hot fusion with cold fusion. The  
difference

is in the products.

Not necessarily. Perhaps that is your definition, but as I stated  
- the
Farnsworth Fusor is LENR on the input side. Same with sonofusion -  
it is
the
input that matters most - NOT the output.

The Fusor is definitely NOT hot fusion. The average plasma  
temperature is
in
the range of neon lighting of CFL or CRTs.


The resulting nuclear products are the important criteria. I can  
produce hot
fusion simply by hitting LiD with a hammer. Therefore the applied  
power is
not important. The amount of applied power only changes the rate,  
not the
resulting nuclear reactions. Because neutrons are made by hot  
fusion, it can
be detected at VERY LOW rates. That is why only a few keV can cause a
detectable rate. The applied voltage does not change the kind of  
nuclear
reaction that takes place. We must make a clear distinction between  
the
nuclear reaction that results from hot fusion and the different one  
that
results from cold fusion. Your approach confuses this requirement.


Sonofusion produces neutrons, and is generally considered "cold"  
and the
Fusor is similar.


Sonofusion produces hot fusion, i.e, it apparently produces equal  
amounts of
neutrons and tritium, not helium. Yes, I know the tritium has not  
been
reported in this case.   The relative applied power is not  
important. I say
again, the applied power ONLY CHANGES THE RATE. It does not change  
the
resulting nuclear reaction.


Most observers these days label the Fusor "warm" but it in reality  
it is
FAR
closer to LENR than to hot fusion - and IMO if the device is in no- 
man's
land - then LENR group should claim it, just as with sonofusion.


I don't know who you are quoting, but they have no idea what they are
talking about.

Ed Storms


Jones