I thought we agreed to call Muon assisted fusion "warm fusion".
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Edmund Storms <[email protected]> wrote:
> We are taking about two different phenomenon of nature. Trying to use the
> same concepts and words to describe both results in confusion. Those of us
> who have studied cold fusion for the last 23 years have a definition of CF
> that is not up for discussion. Please try to understand what I'm telling
> you.
>
> Cold fusion and hot fusion require different conditions to cause their
> initiation, they have different nuclear products, and they result at
> different rates. These are facts and not a matter of arbitrary definition.
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> Cold fusion requires only a few eV for it to be initiated. In contrast, many
> keV are required to cause hot fusion at the same rate.
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> Cold fusion produces helium while hot fusion produces fragments of helium.
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> Cold fusion requires a solid while hot fusion occurs in plasma.
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> Cold fusion does not produce neutrons, while hot fusion produces many
> neutrons when the same amount of energy is released.
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> The term LENR is used to only describe cold fusion. It was not created for
> it to be applied to hot fusion.
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> On Jun 1, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Edmund Storms
>>
>>> Jones, please do not confuse hot fusion with cold fusion. The difference
>>
>> is in the products.
>>
>> Not necessarily. Perhaps that is your definition, but as I stated - the
>> Farnsworth Fusor is LENR on the input side. Same with sonofusion - it is
>> the
>> input that matters most - NOT the output.
>>
>> The Fusor is definitely NOT hot fusion. The average plasma temperature is
>> in
>> the range of neon lighting of CFL or CRTs.
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> The resulting nuclear products are the important criteria. I can produce hot
> fusion simply by hitting LiD with a hammer. Therefore the applied power is
> not important. The amount of applied power only changes the rate, not the
> resulting nuclear reactions. Because neutrons are made by hot fusion, it can
> be detected at VERY LOW rates. That is why only a few keV can cause a
> detectable rate. The applied voltage does not change the kind of nuclear
> reaction that takes place. We must make a clear distinction between the
> nuclear reaction that results from hot fusion and the different one that
> results from cold fusion. Your approach confuses this requirement.
>
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>> Sonofusion produces neutrons, and is generally considered "cold" and the
>> Fusor is similar.
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> Sonofusion produces hot fusion, i.e, it apparently produces equal amounts of
> neutrons and tritium, not helium. Yes, I know the tritium has not been
> reported in this case. The relative applied power is not important. I say
> again, the applied power ONLY CHANGES THE RATE. It does not change the
> resulting nuclear reaction.
>
>>
>> Most observers these days label the Fusor "warm" but it in reality it is
>> FAR
>> closer to LENR than to hot fusion - and IMO if the device is in no-man's
>> land - then LENR group should claim it, just as with sonofusion.
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> I don't know who you are quoting, but they have no idea what they are
> talking about.
>
> Ed Storms
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>> Jones
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