I think it's more interesting to buy a good firewall to prevent pupils to 
surf to "forbidden" sites, rather than spy on them to see what wrong things 
they MIGHT do.  I just read a few messages ago a proposition to hide the 
icon during off-line utilization (or to desactivate it's function), but 
once the client connects, to display on that particular moment the icon.

Another solution - is not applicable to schools - is to ask every user to 
startup vnc whenever he/she needs it.  That way they are certain nobody 
will ever look behind their shoulder.  Once the helpdesk finishes 
controlling the pc, the helpdesk kills VNC until the next use.

On some pc's (servers, my pc, ...) VNC is running all the time, and then 
it's an interesting point to see if somebody is connected...

Regards

Dries Feys-Software Engineer
TVH forklift parts-Thermote & Vanhalst NV
Driemasten 120-126 -- B-8560 Gullegem-Belgium
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-----Original Message-----
From:   Noel Holshouser [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Friday, December 29, 2000 4:30 PM
To:     [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:        Re: "ethical" to hide the VNC logo ...

Can't answer for the Brits, but we here in the U. S. of A. initiated a
minor disagreement with them 224 years ago over other "ethical stances"
of like nature.  Where there is opportunity for misuse and/or corruption
by authority, it is assured that such misuse/corruption will be seized
and utilized.  If an organization's personnel morale is so poor that
trust in them to do the right thing is abandoned, perhaps it's time to
look at reorganizing the institution. By the way, I for one would be
interested in knowing just what constitutes a "dangerous political site"
within an educational environment.

antoine wrote:

  object : "ethical" for use of VNC

  I completely agree with the position of many members of this list about 
the
  use of VNC that forbidden to "spy" anybody on a network, of course !
  it's a look on private life as read a mail of somebody or have look to 
his
  neighborhood ...
  But the problem is different and we have to replace it in its own reality 
:
  As I said clearly, It's a school where there is a network of PC to use
  internet only for the pupils who are not authorized to create mails, or
  write personal documents.
  They are only authorized to visit with their teacher some sites for works
  with their groups that's all ...!
  But some pupils break the system, go to forbidden site (like XXX, or
  dangerous
  political site and many others ..) and of course the school cannot accept
  it.
  So in this particular case it's not "spy" to use VNC to have a look on 
what
  are doing the pupils.
  Allready, since 2 weeks that the network is installed, we had a lot of
  problems :
  delete of system files, try to know the password, writing of insults on
  teachers,
  It's not the objective of this network ...
  VNC is the only way to stop these desagreements.
  Last remark : in England, we read in the newpapers, that a new law has 
been
  voted by the British Government, authorizing the companies or 
administration
  and even on private PC, to have a look on what doing the employees on
  internet !
  .... What answer the people in england about this "spy" ?
  I hope now that my position about "to hide vnc logo" will have a better
  comprehension.
  See You !
  Antoine Wachi
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