Well,Rajmund, maybe you are just more patient than I am. It just seems like 
applications are taking quite a while to open these days, as compared to my 
iPhone 7 Plus or even the 6S, which I had before I turned it in in favor of the 
7+. I am also having a lot of trouble with voice dream reader on my mini two, 
crashing, slow opening, app freezing, etc. I am not having this problem on my 
iPhone 7 Plus, and I didn't have it on my iPhone 6s. Of course, I suspect that 
Ed's grandkids won't be using that app. So, the mini two still works, I just 
think it's showing it's age.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 28, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Rajmund <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> Interesting. My air, till I downgraded, was just fine on 10, and that's the 
> same age  as your mini 2. Wonder why they don't perform the same way?
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from a Braille Sense 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mary Otten  <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Friday, October 28, 2016 8:40 pm
> Subject: Re: Question on iPad mini
> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have a mini too. Now I am sure your grandkids are not going to be using 
>> voiceover, and maybe that will help. The mini two is getting slow. It still 
>> works, although I feel confident that it has just seen its last update. I 
>> feel sure that when the new iOS comes out next year, the mini two will not 
>> be on board. Can't prove it of course. I also understand that you probably 
>> don't want to buy a really expensive thing for kids, depending on how old 
>> they are and how will they take care of stuff. But the mini four should have 
>> more years of upgrade in it than the mini twoo, at least one more year. And 
>> there might be good deals on that coming down the line.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 11:46 AM, Mr. Ed <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Sieghard,
>>> Thanks for the info. Having all that info help me a lot to give information 
>>> to my daughter in law. She is looking at buying the kids a couple iPad Mini 
>>> 2. They have new ones at Best Buy for $219.99. There is not a lot of 
>>> different between the 2,3, and 4. The 2 has a A7 chip and the 4 has an a8.
>>> Once again thanks for the info.
>>> Ed
>>> 
>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 10:41 AM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: RE: Question on iPad mini
>>> 
>>> Hi Ed,
>>> 
>>> If you ever want information about the models and release dates of iDevices 
>>> just Google, to use your example of the iPad: "iPad Mini models and release 
>>> info"
>>> This usually brings up a link to Wikipedia as one of the top search results 
>>> and here you find this information in a concise and
>>> easy to read way. From the below information it is apparent that the iPad 
>>> Mini 4 (the model released in September 2015) is the one to buy, it has the 
>>> best chip, best camera, support for the highest bluetooth version and the 
>>> most RAM as well as support for WiFi 802.11AC. Apple still may sell the 
>>> iPad Mini 3, but I doubt they still officially sell the Ipad Mini 2 and 
>>> definitely not the first generation. Here now the information:
>>> 
>>> Developer: Apple Inc.
>>> Manufacturer: Foxconn, Pegatron[1]
>>> Product family: iPad
>>> Type: Tablet computer
>>> 
>>> Release date
>>> 1st generation: November 2, 2012
>>> 2: November 12, 2013
>>> 3: October 22, 2014
>>> 4: September 9, 2015
>>> 
>>> Operating system: iOS
>>> 
>>> System-on-chip used
>>> 1st generation: Apple A5 (2nd generation: 32nm)
>>> 2 & 3: Apple A7 (with Apple M7 motion co-processor)
>>> 4: Apple A8 (with Apple M8 motion co-processor)
>>> 
>>> CPU
>>> 1st generation: 1 GHz dual-core ARM Cortex-A9
>>> 2 & 3: 1.3 GHz dual-core Apple Cyclone
>>> 4: 1.5 GHz dual-core Apple Typhoon
>>> 
>>> Memory
>>> 1st generation: 512 MB DDR2 RAM
>>> 2 & 3: 1024 MB LPDDR3 RAM
>>> 4: 2048 MB RAM
>>> 
>>> Storage
>>> 1st generation: 16, 32, or 64 GB flash memory
>>> 2: 16, 32, 64, or 128 GB flash memory[2]
>>> 3 & 4: 16, 64, or 128 GB flash memory
>>> 
>>> Display
>>> 7.9-inch (200.66 mm) diagonal LED-backlit Multi-Touch display with IPS 
>>> technology, at 4:3 aspect ratio
>>> 1st generation: 1024×768 px at 163 ppi
>>> 2, 3 & 4: 2048×1536 pixels at 326 ppi (Retina Display)
>>> 4: Fully laminated display, antireflective coating
>>> 
>>> Graphics
>>> 1st generation: PowerVR SGX543MP2
>>> 2 & 3: Quad-core PowerVR G6430
>>> 4: Quad-core PowerVR GX6450
>>> 
>>> Input
>>> Multi-touch screen, headset controls, proximity and ambient light sensors, 
>>> 3-axis accelerometer, gyroscope, digital compass
>>> 
>>> Camera
>>> 1st generation, 2 & 3: Front-facing 1.2MP & Rear-facing 5MP
>>> 4: Front-facing 1.2MP & Rear-facing 8MP
>>> 
>>> Connectivity
>>> 1st generation, 2 & 3: Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n @ 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz
>>> 4: Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac @ 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz
>>> 1st generation, 2 & 3: Bluetooth 4.0
>>> 4: Bluetooth 4.2
>>> 
>>> GSM: LTE  (700, 2100 (Band 4) MHz)   .  UMTS / HSPA+ / DC-HSDPA  (850, 900, 
>>> 1900, 2100 MHz)   .  GSM / EDGE  (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)  
>>> CDMA: LTE  (750, 850, 1800, 1900, 2100 (Band 1) MHz)   .  CDMA / EV-DO Rev. 
>>> A & B  (800, 1900, 2100 MHz)   .  UMTS / HSPA+ / DC-HSDPA  (850, 900, 1900, 
>>> 2100 MHz)   .  GSM / EDGE  (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)   
>>> 
>>> Power
>>> 1st generation: 3.72 V 16.5 W.h (4440 mA.h)
>>> 2 & 3: 3.75 V 24.3 W.h (6471 mA.h)
>>> 4: 3.82 V 19.32 W.h (5124 mA.h)
>>> 
>>> Online services: App Store, iTunes, Game Center, iCloud, FaceTime, iMessage
>>> 
>>> Dimensions
>>> 1st generation: 7.87 in × 5.3 in × 0.28 in (199.9 mm × 134..6 mm × 7.1 mm)
>>> 1st generation: 7.87 in × 5.3 in × 0.28 in (199.9 mm × 134..6 mm × 7.1 mm)
>>> 2 & 3: 7.87 in × 5.3 in × 0.29 in (199.9 mm × 134.6 mm × 7.4 mm)
>>> 4: 8.0 in × 5.3 in × 0.24 in (203.2 mm × 134.6 m
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Weight
>>> 1st generation: Wi-Fi: 0.68 lb (308 g). Wi-Fi + Cellular: 0.69 lb (312 g)
>>> 2 & 3: Wi-Fi: 0.73 lb (330 g). Wi-Fi + Cellular: 0.75 lb (340 g)
>>> 4: Wi-Fi: 0.65 lb (298.8 g). Wi-Fi + Cellular: 0.67 lb (304 g)
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>> I have a mini too. Now I am sure your grandkids are not going to be using 
>> voiceover, and maybe that will help.. The mini two is getting slow. It still 
>> works, although I feel confident that it has just seen its last update. I 
>> feel sure that when the new iOS comes out next year, the mini two will not 
>> be on board. Can't prove it of course. I also understand that you probably 
>> don't want to buy a really expensive thing for kids, depending on how old 
>> they are and how will they take care of stuff. But the mini four should have 
>> more years of upgrade in it than the mini twoo, at least one more year. And 
>> there might be good deals on that coming down the line.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 11:46 AM, Mr. Ed <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Sieghard,
>> Thanks for the info. Having all that info help me a lot to give information 
>> to my daughter in law. She is looking at buying the kids a couple iPad Mini 
>> 2. They have new ones at Best Buy for $219.99. There is not a lot of 
>> different between the 2,3, and 4. The 2 has a A7 chip and the 4 has an a8.
>> Once again thanks for the info.
>> Ed
>> 
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 10:41 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: Question on iPad mini
>> 
>> Hi Ed,
>> 
>> If you ever want information about the models and release dates of iDevices 
>> just Google, to use your example of the iPad: "iPad Mini models and release 
>> info"
>> This usually brings up a link to Wikipedia as one of the top search results 
>> and here you find this information in a concise and 
>> easy to read way. From the below information it is apparent that the iPad 
>> Mini 4 (the model released in September 2015) is the one to buy, it has the 
>> best chip, best camera, support for the highest bluetooth version and the 
>> most RAM as well as support for WiFi 802.11AC. Apple still may sell the iPad 
>> Mini 3, but I doubt they still officially sell the Ipad Mini 2 and 
>> definitely not the first generation. Here now the information:
>> 
>> Developer: Apple Inc.
>> Manufacturer: Foxconn, Pegatron[1]
>> Product family: iPad
>> Type: Tablet computer
>> 
>> Release date
>> 1st generation: November 2, 2012
>> 2: November 12, 2013
>> 3: October 22, 2014
>> 4: September 9, 2015
>> 
>> Operating system: iOS
>> 
>> System-on-chip used
>> 1st generation: Apple A5 (2nd generation: 32nm)
>> 2 & 3: Apple A7 (with Apple M7 motion co-processor)
>> 4: Apple A8 (with Apple M8 motion co-processor)
>> 
>> CPU
>> 1st generation: 1 GHz dual-core ARM Cortex-A9
>> 2 & 3: 1.3 GHz dual-core Apple Cyclone
>> 4: 1.5 GHz dual-core Apple Typhoon
>> 
>> Memory
>> 1st generation: 512 MB DDR2 RAM
>> 2 & 3: 1024 MB LPDDR3 RAM
>> 4: 2048 MB RAM 
>> 
>> Storage
>> 1st generation: 16, 32, or 64 GB flash memory
>> 2: 16, 32, 64, or 128 GB flash memory[2]
>> 3 & 4: 16, 64, or 128 GB flash memory 
>> 
>> Display
>> 7.9-inch (200.66 mm) diagonal LED-backlit Multi-Touch display with IPS 
>> technology, at 4:3 aspect ratio
>> 1st generation: 1024×768 px at 163 ppi
>> 2, 3 & 4: 2048×1536 pixels at 326 ppi (Retina Display)
>> 4: Fully laminated display, antireflective coating 
>> 
>> Graphics
>> 1st generation: PowerVR SGX543MP2
>> 2 & 3: Quad-core PowerVR G6430
>> 4: Quad-core PowerVR GX6450 
>> 
>> Input
>> Multi-touch screen, headset controls, proximity and ambient light sensors, 
>> 3-axis accelerometer, gyroscope, digital compass 
>> 
>> Camera
>> 1st generation, 2 & 3: Front-facing 1.2MP & Rear-facing 5MP
>> 4: Front-facing 1.2MP & Rear-facing 8MP 
>> 
>> Connectivity
>> 1st generation, 2 & 3: Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n @ 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz
>> 4: Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac @ 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz
>> 1st generation, 2 & 3: Bluetooth 4.0
>> 4: Bluetooth 4.2
>> 
>> GSM: LTE  (700, 2100 (Band 4) MHz)   .  UMTS / HSPA+ / DC-HSDPA  (850, 900, 
>> 1900, 2100 MHz)   .  GSM / EDGE  (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)   
>> CDMA: LTE  (750, 850, 1800, 1900, 2100 (Band 1) MHz)   .  CDMA / EV-DO Rev. 
>> A & B  (800, 1900, 2100 MHz)   .  UMTS / HSPA+ / DC-HSDPA  (850, 900, 1900, 
>> 2100 MHz)   .  GSM / EDGE  (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)    
>> 
>> Power
>> 1st generation: 3.72 V 16.5 W.h (4440 mA.h)
>> 2 & 3: 3.75 V 24.3 W.h (6471 mA.h)
>> 4: 3.82 V 19.32 W.h (5124 mA.h) 
>> 
>> Online services: App Store, iTunes, Game Center, iCloud, FaceTime, iMessage 
>> 
>> Dimensions
>> 1st generation: 7.87 in × 5.3 in × 0.28 in (199.9 mm × 134.6 mm × 7.1 mm)
>> 1st generation: 7.87 in × 5.3 in × 0.28 in (199.9 mm × 134.6 mm × 7.1 mm)
>> 2 & 3: 7.87 in × 5.3 in × 0.29 in (199.9 mm × 134.6 mm × 7.4 mm)
>> 4: 8.0 in × 5.3 in × 0.24 in (203.2 mm × 134.6 m 
>> 
>> 
>> Weight
>> 1st generation: Wi-Fi: 0.68 lb (308 g). Wi-Fi + Cellular: 0.69 lb (312 g)
>> 2 & 3: Wi-Fi: 0.73 lb (330 g). Wi-Fi + Cellular: 0.75 lb (340 g)
>> 4: Wi-Fi: 0.65 lb (298.8 g). Wi-Fi + Cellular: 0.67 lb (304 g)
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