If you move the TX out of band with respect to the RX do you still see the 
noise when the TX graph starts?



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> On Mar 25, 2021, at 3:57 PM, Jerrid Plymale <jerrid.plym...@canyon-us.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> So I was able to test setting up both USRPs with the same 10 MHz reference 
> signal, and there was no improvement to the noise being added.
>  
> If the flowgraph just emits a CW tone, we see a similar response, the added 
> noise is still there and at the same level, we just have the added spike of 
> the CW tone at the frequency we set it to.
>  
> Best Regards,
>  
> Jerrid
>  
> From: Marcus D Leech <patchvonbr...@gmail.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 5:01 PM
> To: Jerrid Plymale <jerrid.plym...@canyon-us.com>
> Cc: USRP-users@lists.ettus.com
> Subject: Re: [USRP-users] Strong noise added to signal transmitted by X310 
> with a UBX 40 daughterboard
>  
> You don’t need 1PPS for this. Having an external high quality reference may 
> help, assuming my guess about your issue is correct.  
>  
> What happens if your flow graph just simply emits a Cw tone, using the mute 
> function perhaps tied to a GUI control or some such. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Mar 24, 2021, at 7:13 PM, Jerrid Plymale <jerrid.plym...@canyon-us.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Ok, if that’s the case, would it help to have both USRPs connected to the 
> same 10 MHz reference signal and PPS? In this situation, would I need to 
> provide a secondary source for the PPS, or can that use the 10 Mhz reference 
> as well?
>  
> Best Regards,
>  
> Jerrid
>  
> From: Marcus D. Leech <patchvonbr...@gmail.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 2:23 PM
> To: Jerrid Plymale <jerrid.plym...@canyon-us.com>
> Cc: USRP-users@lists.ettus.com
> Subject: Re: [USRP-users] Strong noise added to signal transmitted by X310 
> with a UBX 40 daughterboard
>  
> On 03/24/2021 05:10 PM, Jerrid Plymale wrote:
> The devices are operating using direct connection via coax cables.
> You absolutely need to put a 30dB attenuator in-line to prevent RX 
> destruction in the case of "ooops" moments from setting the TX
>   power output too high.
> 
> 
> 
>  
> The target frequency is 1.57542 GHz, and our current bandwidth is 4 MHz. We 
> will need to increase the bandwidth to 20 MHz soon for further system 
> development.
>  
> The TX and RX gain are maxed on the receiving hardware. The TX gain of the 
> transmitting hardware is set to 0, as at max the noise strength increases to 
> ~ 20 dB.
>  
> Attached are images of the FFT provided by the Frequency Sink in Gnuradio. 
> Hopefully these give a visual aid for the problem at hand. When I have the 
> transmitter USRP turned off (image 1), it would seem like the noise floor 
> coming into the USRP is around -94 dB. When the transmitter is turned on and 
> the flowgraph is started with the transmitted signal muted (I am using a 
> python block with code to create custom signals that is then connected to a 
> mute block that then connects to the UHD USRP sink block to be able to mute 
> the signal during runtime), the noise floor increases to around -78 dB.
>  
> Best Regards,
>  
> Jerrid 
> You are likely just seeing the LO leakage, along with the inevitable 
> phase-noise curve of the LO.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> From: Marcus D Leech <patchvonbr...@gmail.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 11:58 AM
> To: Jerrid Plymale <jerrid.plym...@canyon-us.com>
> Cc: USRP-users@lists.ettus.com
> Subject: Re: [USRP-users] Strong noise added to signal transmitted by X310 
> with a UBX 40 daughterboard
>  
> Is the j B is over-the-air or direct connection?
>  
> What frequency? Bandwidth?
>  
> Do you have TX and RX gain turned all the way up?
>  
> Can you share your flow-graphs, or minimum
> Graphs that show the problem?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 24, 2021, at 12:20 PM, Jerrid Plymale <jerrid.plym...@canyon-us.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello All,
>  
> I have been running tests in which I am transmitting a signal from one USRP 
> X310 that’s using a UBX 40 daughterboard, and that signal is being received 
> by another USRP X310 using a UBX 40 daughterboard. I have noticed that when I 
> have the receiving USRP running with the Gnuradio flowgraph active, as soon 
> as I start the transmitting USRP’s Gnuradio flowgraph, there is a jump in the 
> noise floor as it is seen by the receiving USRP, and its roughly a 14 dB 
> increase. This occurs even if I have the signal being transmitted muted. Does 
> anyone have any idea what the source of this added noise could be? It is 
> something that I need to mitigate as much as possible for the tests I am 
> running using these USRPs. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated, thanks!
>  
> Best Regards,
>  
> Jerrid
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