PL/1, boy that brings back memories. I worked for years on a mini-computer who's O/S was written using a combination of a PL/1 subset and machine code. Really nice, Unix-like O/S, that had Unix beat in some areas, lacked behind it in others. Really kind of miss it these days. However, I don't think it really took 4+ years to really learn PL/1. I seemed to have pretty well mastered it in a semester -- maybe a little longer. I really liked how easy it was to get done what you needed to do. And you'd think with IBM's clout it would have gotten better penetration, but they seemed more intent on other technologies. Probably not enough commission in it compared to COBOL.
> -----Original Message----- > From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:50 PM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > > Don't know about you, but I was left really, really worried about > actually > being on a project under those conditions. > > > Lots of room for doing a crash-and-burn ... > > > Back when I started in the business in 1982 I had to learn PL-1, the > best > darned language that never managed to get a good market share. It was > said > that it took four years to really learn how to use it. These days all > you > need is a crash course to be an expert! > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian" <bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com> > To: "'Tomcat Users List'" <users@tomcat.apache.org> > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:42 PM > Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant > > > That is true sometimes. I was hired by Arthur Andersen (RIP), they sent > me > to an SAP crash-course, the tipe of course that shows you zillions of > Powerpoint slides and you get out of the course with tons of doubts. > Then > they sent me directly to a proyect, and I bet they billed a lot for my > time. > I was introduced as an experienced SAP consultant. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 07:35 PM > > To: Tomcat Users List > > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > > > > I once worked for a consulting company that wasn't a big 5, but had > some > > pretty good contact. They hired me out of Montreal on Friday, had me > in > > Denver on Sunday and spending 2 weeks in a training center so I > could > > become an instant 'expert' they could hire out for big $$$ on > different > > projects. > > > > Then I spent 3 months at home while they tried to get some contacts, > and > > then got canned when they couldn't, then the guys who hired me got > canned > > ... > > > > I can't figure out how these companies can get away with this > nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Martin Gainty" <mgai...@hotmail.com> > > To: "Tomcat Users List" <users@tomcat.apache.org> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:13 PM > > Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant > > > > > > > > triple your budget when the big 5 consultant steps out a lamberghini > in a > > 1000 brooks brothers suit > > > > add 25% to the rate if he looks younger than zuckerberg > > > > BTW: big 5 consultants only speak english or hindi..you'll need a > hindi > > translator for spanish > > > > how about unisys??? > > > > Saludos Cordiales desde EEUU > > Martin Gainty > > ______________________________________________ > > No altere ni interrumpa por favor esta transmisión. Gracias > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:55:28 -0400 > > > Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > > > From: cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com > > > To: users@tomcat.apache.org > > > > > > I should have copyrights on my name. LOL > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Brian <bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: Jorge Medina [mailto:cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com] > > > >> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 02:43 PM > > > >> To: Tomcat Users List > > > >> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > > > >> > > > >> Hey, you don't need a Big-5 consulting company. > > > > > > > > > > > > Esto si que sonó gracioso. > > > > Aca en Peru, Arthur Andersen (QEPD) tenia a unos 3 socios, uno de > los > > > > cuales > > > > se llamaba JORGE MEDINA. :-D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> You need a a couple of experts: a networking guy and a Tomcat > guy. > > > >> But anyway, I'm sure a Fortune 500 have the money to overpay one > of > > the > > > >> Big-5. > > > >> > > > >> Now, from my understanding, Tomcat is only a web app container > while > > > >> Websphere is an application server. > > > >> Therefore, depending on your application you may not be able to > > migrate > > > >> it > > > >> to Tomcat, but rather to Glassfish. Glassfish is also an > application > > > > server. > > > >> > > > >> -Jorge > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Christopher Schultz > > > >> <ch...@christopherschultz.net> wrote: > > > >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > >> > Hash: SHA1 > > > >> > > > > >> > To whom it may concern, > > > >> > > > > >> > On 9/24/2010 1:25 PM, tdelesio wrote: > > > >> >> My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over > a > J2EE > > > >> >> web app over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and > we > > are > > > >> >> looking for a consultant to setup a crusted production > instance of > > > >> >> tomcat. > > > >> > > > > >> > Wait... are you testing it? If so, then you don't need anyone > to > set > > > >> > it up, do you? By crusted, did you mean "trusted"? > > > >> > > > > >> >> Does anyone have any recommendations for a top notch > consulting > > firm > > > >> >> that could provide these services? > > > >> > > > > >> > I'm sure that any of the big-5 consulting companies would be > very > > > >> > happy to take way more money than is necessary to set up an > instance > > > >> > of Tomcat for you. > > > >> > > > > >> > - -chris > > > >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >> > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) > > > >> > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - > http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > iEYEARECAAYFAkyc5o4ACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PAjugCgiACwh5crjW+HXMKbzAWc+ > > > >> A27 > > > >> > dC4AoJjm6Dgs7FbMPrD3VBBdZl48VXas > > > >> > =vADj > > > >> > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >> > > > > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > > > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > __________________________________________________________________________ Confidentiality Notice: This Transmission (including any attachments) may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. 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