OK, the "I'm gray-haired and remember when memory was core" game ;-), I was a regular Multics user myself, on MIT's Honeywell machines (with drum disks), as well as an assembler programmer on PDP-1, 4 and 9. The 4 had a 125 kHz clock speed. I vaguely remember the PIC OS, but haven't googled it yet.
-Allen > -----Original Message----- > From: David Fisher [mailto:dfis...@jmlafferty.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 5:41 PM > To: Tomcat Users List > Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Tomcat Consultant > > >> PL/1 was a nice break from extending FORTRAN IV with BAL (Assembler). > >> > >> Wow real pointers and character strings! > >> > >> I seem to recall there was a version on the Prime minicomputers - IRC > >> they had a version of the PIC OS. > >> > >> Primos came out of the Boston area, was a son of Multics and a brother > >> OS to Unix. Wiki proves my memory fairly accurate - > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Computer > >> > > > > That's the system I worked on. At one point, I worked in a university > environ and had access to source. We did a few tweaks to allow better > support for hundreds of students, or the occasional custom tool/command. > It was really nice to work in something like PL/P for that stuff. > > > I'm not sure what you meant by PIC OS, unless you meant the Pick > Database model, which was originally implemented as a combined OS/DB > setup. Prime did offer a version of the DB model, called INFORMATION, > which ran on the standard OS. It was a really nice rapid deployment > engine. > > That's it. I couldn't recall because I didn't use it. We used the MIDAS > database which transitioned pretty well from home grown assembler based / > hash indexed keys. > > > They also had a version of Oracle available for it, though I never used > it. I had used some other 3rd-party relational DB products, and > INFORMATION ran rings around them. The Pick data model was designed with > standard business data in mind, so it had some useful features that ran > fairly fast. I work in Oracle now, and am quite impressed with its speed, > but having to do all those table joins can sometimes be a real pain. > > We went with Oracle 5/6 when my boss spun out as an independent and we > migrated to Sun in 1991. Oracle had an interesting Hypercard Stack > interface for Macs around then. Only trouble for me is it wouldn't save > your sql ddl, it was the schema. > > > > > >> On Sep 28, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Jeffrey Janner wrote: > >> > >>> PL/1, boy that brings back memories. > >>> I worked for years on a mini-computer who's O/S was written using a > >> combination of a PL/1 subset and machine code. Really nice, Unix-like > >> O/S, that had Unix beat in some areas, lacked behind it in others. > >> Really kind of miss it these days. > >>> However, I don't think it really took 4+ years to really learn PL/1. > >> I seemed to have pretty well mastered it in a semester -- maybe a > >> little longer. I really liked how easy it was to get done what you > >> needed to do. And you'd think with IBM's clout it would have gotten > >> better penetration, but they seemed more intent on other technologies. > >> Probably not enough commission in it compared to COBOL. > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] > >>>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:50 PM > >>>> To: Tomcat Users List > >>>> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > >>>> > >>>> Don't know about you, but I was left really, really worried about > >>>> actually > >>>> being on a project under those conditions. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Lots of room for doing a crash-and-burn ... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Back when I started in the business in 1982 I had to learn PL-1, the > >>>> best > >>>> darned language that never managed to get a good market share. It > >> was > >>>> said > >>>> that it took four years to really learn how to use it. These days > >> all > >>>> you > >>>> need is a crash course to be an expert! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Brian" <bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com> > >>>> To: "'Tomcat Users List'" <users@tomcat.apache.org> > >>>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:42 PM > >>>> Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> That is true sometimes. I was hired by Arthur Andersen (RIP), they > >> sent > >>>> me > >>>> to an SAP crash-course, the tipe of course that shows you zillions > >> of > >>>> Powerpoint slides and you get out of the course with tons of doubts. > >>>> Then > >>>> they sent me directly to a proyect, and I bet they billed a lot for > >> my > >>>> time. > >>>> I was introduced as an experienced SAP consultant. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] > >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 07:35 PM > >>>>> To: Tomcat Users List > >>>>> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > >>>>> > >>>>> I once worked for a consulting company that wasn't a big 5, but > >> had > >>>> some > >>>>> pretty good contact. They hired me out of Montreal on Friday, had > >> me > >>>> in > >>>>> Denver on Sunday and spending 2 weeks in a training center so I > >>>> could > >>>>> become an instant 'expert' they could hire out for big $$$ on > >>>> different > >>>>> projects. > >>>>> > >>>>> Then I spent 3 months at home while they tried to get some > >> contacts, > >>>> and > >>>>> then got canned when they couldn't, then the guys who hired me got > >>>> canned > >>>>> ... > >>>>> > >>>>> I can't figure out how these companies can get away with this > >>>> nonsense. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "Martin Gainty" <mgai...@hotmail.com> > >>>>> To: "Tomcat Users List" <users@tomcat.apache.org> > >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:13 PM > >>>>> Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> triple your budget when the big 5 consultant steps out a > >> lamberghini > >>>> in a > >>>>> 1000 brooks brothers suit > >>>>> > >>>>> add 25% to the rate if he looks younger than zuckerberg > >>>>> > >>>>> BTW: big 5 consultants only speak english or hindi..you'll need a > >>>> hindi > >>>>> translator for spanish > >>>>> > >>>>> how about unisys??? > >>>>> > >>>>> Saludos Cordiales desde EEUU > >>>>> Martin Gainty > >>>>> ______________________________________________ > >>>>> No altere ni interrumpa por favor esta transmisión. Gracias > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:55:28 -0400 > >>>>>> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > >>>>>> From: cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com > >>>>>> To: users@tomcat.apache.org > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I should have copyrights on my name. LOL > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Brian <bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>> From: Jorge Medina [mailto:cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com] > >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 02:43 PM > >>>>>>>> To: Tomcat Users List > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hey, you don't need a Big-5 consulting company. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Esto si que sonó gracioso. > >>>>>>> Aca en Peru, Arthur Andersen (QEPD) tenia a unos 3 socios, uno de > >>>> los > >>>>>>> cuales > >>>>>>> se llamaba JORGE MEDINA. :-D > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> You need a a couple of experts: a networking guy and a Tomcat > >>>> guy. > >>>>>>>> But anyway, I'm sure a Fortune 500 have the money to overpay one > >>>> of > >>>>> the > >>>>>>>> Big-5. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Now, from my understanding, Tomcat is only a web app container > >>>> while > >>>>>>>> Websphere is an application server. > >>>>>>>> Therefore, depending on your application you may not be able to > >>>>> migrate > >>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>> to Tomcat, but rather to Glassfish. Glassfish is also an > >>>> application > >>>>>>> server. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -Jorge > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Christopher Schultz > >>>>>>>> <ch...@christopherschultz.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >>>>>>>>> Hash: SHA1 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> To whom it may concern, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 9/24/2010 1:25 PM, tdelesio wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over > >>>> a > >>>> J2EE > >>>>>>>>>> web app over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and > >>>> we > >>>>> are > >>>>>>>>>> looking for a consultant to setup a crusted production > >>>> instance of > >>>>>>>>>> tomcat. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Wait... are you testing it? If so, then you don't need anyone > >>>> to > >>>> set > >>>>>>>>> it up, do you? By crusted, did you mean "trusted"? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have any recommendations for a top notch > >>>> consulting > >>>>> firm > >>>>>>>>>> that could provide these services? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I'm sure that any of the big-5 consulting companies would be > >>>> very > >>>>>>>>> happy to take way more money than is necessary to set up an > >>>> instance > >>>>>>>>> of Tomcat for you. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> - -chris > >>>>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >>>>>>>>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) > >>>>>>>>> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - > >>>> http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>> iEYEARECAAYFAkyc5o4ACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PAjugCgiACwh5crjW+HXMKbzAWc+ > >>>>>>>> A27 > >>>>>>>>> dC4AoJjm6Dgs7FbMPrD3VBBdZl48VXas > >>>>>>>>> =vADj > >>>>>>>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> - > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > >>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> ----- > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> ---- > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> - > >>>> -- > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> -- > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> - > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> - > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________________________________ > >> ___ > >>> > >>> Confidentiality Notice: This Transmission (including any > >> attachments) may contain information that is privileged, confidential, > >> and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. 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