On May 22, 2013, at 1:53 PM, Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo wrote:

> On Wed, 22 May 2013 14:18:06 -0300, Lenny Primak <lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us> 
> wrote:
> 
>> You guys keep talking about distributed configuration.
>> How is this related to IOC anyway?
> 
> Very easy answer: this is about configuration of services/beans, and 
> services/beans are the core of IoC.

Not in my view.  Beans can ** use ** configuration service, it doesn't need to 
be tied into IoC

> 
>> The only way it is related is because its baked into tapestry IOC.
>> These ought to be 2 separate modules.
>> If, indeed there is a dire need to distributed configuration (I don't 
>> believe there is such an integral need)
> 
> You keep saying that and it makes me think you don't know Tapestry well, but 
> you do. The mind boggles.

The question needs to become "what would this look like in a perfect world"
I really don't see distributed configuration as a requirement in tapestry.  
Somehow,
every other web framework, every other project and every other DI framework can 
do without it.

> 
>> Perhaps an easier way to go is to segregate Tapestry IOC from Distributed 
>> Configuration.
>> Maybe that will help with usability of Tapestry.
> 
> You're really interested in removing Tapestry-IoC of Tapestry. I see your 
> good intentions there even if I disagree. I suggest you something which I'd 
> love to see in this discussion: Tapestry is open-source, so what about you 
> writing a fork which ditches Tapestry-IoC and use some other IoC instead? 
> This way, we could discuss in terms of actual, concrete implementations, not 
> just conjections.

Yeah right.  This has no chance of being accepted.  
Look at what happened when I tried to suggest revving Tapestry up to 6?

> 
>> About reinventing the wheel, there is a lot of that in Tapestry.
>> Perhaps for historical reasons, or for whatever reasons, there is.
>> I used to like reinventing the wheel.  I thought all other software was 
>> shit.  a lot of it is,
>> but now I don't mind using it if it works for 90% of my need.
>> Now I absolutely hate writing code that has even a smell of something that 
>> was done before.
>> NIH is bad.
> 
> It is, I think everybody here agrees, so I see no point in discussing that.
> 
> -- 
> Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
> 
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