good point 於 2011/2/18 4:06, Howard Lewis Ship 提到: > I spend a lot of time when teaching Tapestry getting people to do One > Small Step at a time. Everyone feels the need to jump from a blank > page to the final solution in one go, and that's really hard. I do a > lot of "placeholder goes here", then do a series of refinements. > That's how I work on real projects as well, not just tutorials and > demos. > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:39 AM, Inge Solvoll <inge.tapes...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Nice work, Mark! >> >> I have some feedback for you here: >> >> Tapestry is great because it enables me to work tiny iterations. These tiny >> iteratinos are enabled by live reloading and excellent error reporting. I >> use this to work in a TDD way (without actually doing TDD), adding one bit >> at a time and verifying its behaviour in the browser before continuing. >> Being used to that, I was a bit overwhelmed by your speed in this tutorial, >> adding lots of things before reloading in the browser. That approach might >> work very well for you, but probably not for beginners. >> >> I believe a lot of people out there are used to quite long development >> cycles. They are used to coding lots of lines before restarting the server >> and checking the GUI. Upon arrival in the T5 world, it might be hard to >> adjust quickly. Sure, everyone loves live class reloading and it works >> instantly. But do they understand how to get the full power out of it? I'll >> give a (hopefully understandable) example: If you ask your grandmother to >> send you an email, she might print it, put it in an envelope and go for a >> walk to the post office. Not what you intended when you provided her with >> the very effective tools necessary :) >> >> Don't get me wrong, I love this tutorial! Just wanted to write a few words >> about how I feel T5 could gain more popularity. Highly efficient tools >> aren't enought, we should also focus on showing a set of simple and >> simplifying techniques that makes it very hard to fail and very much fun to >> be a T5 programmer. Also for newbies :) >> >> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Peter Stavrinides < >> p.stavrini...@albourne.com> wrote: >> >>> :) Excellent Mark! I know the feeling... does she also give the blank >>> expression? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mark" <mark-li...@xeric.net> >>> To: "Tapestry users" <users@tapestry.apache.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, 16 February, 2011 23:25:47 GMT +02:00 Athens, Beirut, >>> Bucharest, Istanbul >>> Subject: Re: 10 Minute Web Application Demo >>> >>> I keep showing my wife, but she doesn't ever seem to get very excited >>> about it. :) >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Michael Gentry <mgen...@masslight.net> >>> wrote: >>>> Sure, but I don't general show people Tapestry 5 at home. I'll bet >>>> most of us don't do that, either. :-) >>>> >>>> mrg >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Christian Riedel >>>> <cr.ml...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>>> don't you have internet at home? :p >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am 16.02.2011 um 19:54 schrieb Michael Gentry: >>>>> >>>>>> That's not an option for some of us, either. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Lenny Primak <lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us> >>> wrote: >>>>>>> That's what the your mobile device is for :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Michael Gentry wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Mark, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Keep in mind that a lot of companies block YouTube access (and other >>>>>>>> media sites), so putting it on YouTube might actually restrict access >>>>>>>> more than you intended. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> mrg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org >>>> >>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org >>> >>> > >
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