Well, thanks .... these are great comments, just the thing to cheer me
up while reading my morning e-mail.

I'm very proud of the majority of the code in Tapestry, both the work
I've done, and the work of the other committers. I've made a few
mistakes, especially in terms of naming things (what the hell is an
Environmental anyway?) and package organization, but I've learned a
lot in the process.  The hard work now is moving Tapestry towards ever
greater things while maintaining reasonable backwards compatibility
... it means gradually deprecating things and having initiatives that
span several releases.

As you might be aware, documentation is just about our top priority
now, right after finalizing 5.2 and getting it "shipped".

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Muhammad Mohsen <m.gelb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To be honest, I thought tapestry had a very bad documentation too when I
> first started reading about it. I had to watch every screencast and turned
> google code upside down to collect bits and pieces from here and there to
> output a decent functioning web application.
>
> But the potential kept me going and I never removed from my mind the idea
> that howard did all this all alone, at least in the very beginning. He wrote
> the docs, tutorials...and before all that..the code !!
>
> I can confidentially say that my professionalism with j2ee compared with
> real world applications is like....nothing :D
>
> My advice to ale, read the IoC documentation first...its LOADS of text and
> will take time to read, you may not get it all at first but I hope you are
> luckier that me and understand what you read the first time you read it :)
>
> Basically you will be dazzled when you find out how smart (dynamic
> and resourceful) and insightful tapestry is. To me, tapestry dissected the
> concept of a web application into much smaller concepts, and it offers you
> even multiple ways to utilize these interacting concepts. (i.e. the left
> side of tapestry home page, the User Guide)
>
> It will take time to understand tapestry, at least for me. But I can't get
> rid of the idea of hosting it on GAE and the potential of it !
>
> That's a lots of talking, but its an open discussion I suppose :D
>
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 6:01 AM, Taha Hafeez <tawus.tapes...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 5:17 AM, Howard Lewis Ship <hls...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Don't waste the bits ... just a troll.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:57 PM, ael <alan-lua...@dash.com.ph> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Really...
>> > >
>> > > We have different opinions...
>> > >
>> > > For me one of the best ^_^.
>> > >
>> > > The only problem with tapestry is it don't have proper documentation
>> > > for beginners.
>> > > --
>> > > View this message in context:
>> >
>> http://tapestry.1045711.n5.nabble.com/Thanks-for-making-my-life-hell-tp3211294p3211306.html
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>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Howard M. Lewis Ship
>> >
>> > Creator of Apache Tapestry
>> >
>> > The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
>> > learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>> >
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>> >
>> I am a wicket programmer(turning into a tapestry programmer)  and I find
>> tapestry just wonderful... It is not only a framework but if a person peeks
>> more into the source code he/she can become a better java programmer..
>>
>> Yes for beginners it lacks documentation... but that makes you peek more
>> into the source code and that is something a person has to learn when
>> working with open source projects...
>>
>> There are a number of extensions available. Just checkout their source
>> code...
>>
>> How novice a person has to be to call any framework garbage... You don't
>> like it don't use it...
>>
>> Taha
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Regards,*
> *Muhammad Gelbana
> Java Software Programmer*
>



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