> Horrible, horrible, GridBagLayout.... I loathe it. What an awful > mess. CSS is so many thousands of times nicer for doing layout.... > > I am sympathetic to the "applets not Javascript" argument, though. > "Applets with CSS layout" would be especially nice. > > But applets don't integrate well with the flow of the web: > like Flash- > based sites, you can't bookmark them, search engines can't index > them, etc. There are limits to what they're good for. If > there were a > good way to attach Java to a page's DOM, then we'd be cooking. > > I wonder how limited GWT is in this respect? Tapestry works > very hard > to respect the client's control of their browser. >
respecting the "flow of the web" and the clients' ultimate control of their environment is vital here, I think I'd like to have a closer look at the accessibility of the Google toolkit. The inexorable rise of AJAX has resulted in the web being pushed _backwards_ in this regard See: http://joeclark.org/ice/iceweb2006-notes.html http://joeclark.org/ice/iceweb2006-test-results.html http://www.sitepoint.com/article/ajax-screenreaders-work In summary, the accessibility problem boils down to events occurring on a page refreshing content but this not being announced in any other way than "visually". Therefore, users of assistive technologies hav no idea what is happening! It would be really excellent to see Tap5 be the _first_ framework to implement AJAX stuff in a genuinely accessible manner out of the box That would be a _real_ achievement ... not just eye-candy ;D Chris ******************************************************************************** DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is confidential and should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient. If you have received this e-mail in error please inform the sender and delete it from your mailbox or any other storage mechanism. Neither Macmillan Publishers Limited nor any of its agents accept liability for any statements made which are clearly the sender's own and not expressly made on behalf of Macmillan Publishers Limited or one of its agents. Please note that neither Macmillan Publishers Limited nor any of its agents accept any responsibility for viruses that may be contained in this e-mail or its attachments and it is your responsibility to scan the e-mail and attachments (if any). No contracts may be concluded on behalf of Macmillan Publishers Limited or its agents by means of e-mail communication. Macmillan Publishers Limited Registered in England and Wales with registered number 785998 Registered Office Brunel Road, Houndmills, Basingstoke RG21 6XS ******************************************************************************** --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
