Am 25.08.2014 um 18:28 schrieb John Hardin:
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2014, Reindl Harald wrote:
> 
>> the plain content i attached as ZIP (what made it to the listg) is used for 
>> testing by just copy the content to a
>> formmailer or in a new plaintext message in TB point directly to the test MX
> 
> The massage body by itself usually isn't enough to tell much. Looking at it, 
> it's obviously a 419 spam, and your
> rule hits support that.

correct

> When troubleshooting stuff, we generally need the complete message including 
> all the original headers, saved as an
> RFC-822-format text file.

that's clear but it's a matter of how to reprocude what i did
short before the update given a very high score and doing
the same after the update and that is in all cases just
past that plaintext into a MUA and send it to SA

> In this case the question isn't "why aren't rules hitting", it's 
> "why are the rules now scoring less?" 

that's exactly my question

> the same rules are hitting now as were before the update

that's why i am wondering

> Karsten covered that

>> Given (a) you disabled RBL checks in SA

the reason for that is that postfix in front already does a damned
good job with RBL's and especially uses internal whitelists (rbldnsd)
and a honeypot RBL and what i want to avoid is that that SA beats
out the whitelists - i replay the data of the internal ones to
"local.conf" into "trusted_networks" because until now i did not
find a way to reflect the postscreen scoring below in SA

postscreen_dnsbl_sites = dnsbl.thelounge.net*16
 dul.dnsbl.sorbs.net*8
 b.barracudacentral.org*7
 dnsbl.inps.de*7
 zen.spamhaus.org=127.0.0.[10;11]*6
 zen.spamhaus.org=127.0.0.[4..7]*5
 bl.spamcop.net*4
 ix.dnsbl.manitu.net*4
 zen.spamhaus.org=127.0.0.3*4
 dnsbl-1.uceprotect.net*3
 zen.spamhaus.org=127.0.0.2*3
 bl.spameatingmonkey.net*2
 dnsrbl.swinog.ch*2
 psbl.surriel.com*2
 spam.dnsbl.sorbs.net*2
 ips.backscatterer.org*1
 dnswl-low.thelounge.net*-3
 list.dnswl.org=127.0.[0..255].0*-3
 list.dnswl.org=127.0.[0..255].1*-4
 list.dnswl.org=127.0.[0..255].2*-5
 list.dnswl.org=127.0.[0..255].3*-6
 dnswl-medium.thelounge.net*-8
 dnswl-high.thelounge.net*-16
 dnswl.thelounge.net*-24

> masscheck ties to ensure spams score at least 5 points, but doesn't 
> care beyond that

yes, but given that the intention is to flag message above
5 with [SPAM] and reject messages above 7 which is the
intention running SA as milter the reduced score matters

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