On 7/29/2014 12:44 PM, David F. Skoll wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:37:00 -0700
Ted Mittelstaedt<t...@ipinc.net>  wrote:

Hotmail/MSN/Live/Microsoft/365/whatever-the-name-o-the-week-they-call-themselves
all have SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER spam filtering than
Spamassassin+free/public RBLs+some judicious blacklists.

My experience is only with Gmail.  And I have to say: Gmail's spam
filtering is pretty darn good.  I almost never get spam on my gmail.com
account and I almost never get false-positives either.


Yet you don't use your gmail address to post here - so how is this a fair apples to apples comparison. It isn't. All you saying is - an email address at gmail that I hardly use, doesn't get a lot of spam - and an email address at roaringpenguin.com which I use all the time - gets more spam.

Therefore google's spam filter is better?

This is a perception I'm seeing some responders to this thread echo!
I have to ask you if you think those guys are better why are you even
using Spamassassin at all?

Because I don't trust Google with anything important.  I would
rather put in the effort to run my own mail server than let Google
have all my mail.


The average user doesn't think like that I am afraid.

[...]

You and your neighbor farmer do the same damn thing to your fields,
and both of you agree the grass is exactly the same but you just
can't get these 3 dumb cows to see logic.

What do you do?

I wish the cows who want to go to Gmail Farm the best of luck and move
on.  I spend my time and energy with people who understand the issues,
rather than trying to get dumb and/or closed-minded people to the point
where they understand.  It's a simple business decision.


And the problem is that those understanding people represent .00001% of
the customers out there. In the city I live in there's probably 20 people like that. And I can't make a living off selling them email.

Most older customers think like this:

"That goddam email why can't we go back to the good old days when they sent a fax. Now where's my damn secretary I need her to print out my email. Hey, look an email for free Braves tickets, gotta respond to that one - why is my screen suddenly filling up with red windows?!?!"

Most younger customers think like this:

"That goddam email why can't they send a text...Oh shit I nearly got hit by that semi-truck....Ha Ha, dropped the cell before you saw me, copper!!!...."

Seriously, the problem is the average user thinks if something takes them more than 3 minutes to understand, there's a problem. It's like we have a society of people today who are unable to concentrate on anything requiring more than a 5th grade education. They operate off perception of reality, not off of actual reality.

Are you unaware of the TV show "jackass"? Yes this is what we got to explain spam to.

Ted

Regards,

David.

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