All this debate about 'legitimate' mail services like 'returnpath'
being abused by 'sneaky' spammers. How is that possible? There should be easy ways to prevent it. Here's a few ideas:

As soon as any whitelist service like 'returnpath' accepts a client, they perform the following:

1) Review the client's address list - look for honeypot addresses.
   If any are found, clearly the client has not vetted their list.

2) Perform their OWN 'opt-in' mailout to that list.
     "Hello, we at (company eg. Retunrpath) have contracted to operate a
      mailng list on behalf of (client name). They have provided your
      address as one that has *requested* advertising mailouts from their
      company. We respectfully request that you verify this
      subscription/request by replying to this e-mail. IF you do nothing,
      this will be your last mailing from this company."

I'm sure we would all live with the occasional true 'opt-in' request, if we knew that the end result would be that it would stifle spam by giving the legitimate mailers, the ones whose mail we *want* anyway, a better chance to reach us.

- Charles

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