On 30-Mar-2009, at 19:58, Kenneth Porter wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2009 2:13 PM -0600 LuKreme <krem...@kreme.com> wrote:

The changes (RFC2822) did not change enough. What is really needed is SoSMTP (Son of SMTP) defined for port 26. It would be 8bit compatible
and would NOT be backward compatible with current SMTP.  It would not
have folding of headers lines and it would have exact standards on every header (the precise format of every date, for example). Any message that failed to be to the standards would be rejected for transfer on port 26. Of course, it would require a valid SASL chain on all servers from source
to destination.

Ah, yes: SMTP is 7-bit and line-oriented, and those contributed to the faults in RFC2822. Allowing 8-bit and unlimited line length would largely eliminate the encoding and wrapping issues that the video covers.

I don't know what SASL addresses. Does it somehow eliminate anonymity of the sending server?

Yes, it means that every Received: header in an email is valid with a valid IP, valid configuration (whatever that is deemed to be), and valid DNS. Only servers that were correctly classified as mailservers would even be able to be verified. Mailservers that were spam sources would be easily identified and blacklisted across the board. Or something.

Putting this on a distinct port seems more a marketing thing. Why not add it as a capability in a normal SMTP server?

Because the idea is to be able to simply retire the current SMTP and that will be a lot simpler if the new service is on a new port. It will also be much easier to justify.

"Yes, Mr. CEO the figures are Mail inbound on port 25 is 98% spam, mail on port 26 is 3% spam. We still get 200 mails a week on port 25 that are valid, but 18,000 on port 26."

"Well boys, I think it might be time to close down that gaping spam hole in our network and save a few $100K in bandwidth costs next year so I can get my $100,000,000 bonus check."

Messages that advertise strict compliance and pass a validator could be given a suitable negative "reward" score by SA. (Probably a batch of meta scores that null out some normal rules that invalid messages would be subject to.)

A secure verifiable delivery chain from server to server would almost completely eliminate the need for SA.

And I'm not saying it would be easy, or happen over-night. I figure if people started working on an RFC right now we might see the end of the current SMTP in 15-20 years unless there was a huge push in which case it could maybe happen in 10-15 years.

I'm not saying it would ELIMINATE Spam, but it would certainly reduce it to a manageable level. Nothing we're doing now is reducing it at all, the amount of spam has been increasing steadily every year since the very first Green Card posting to USENET.

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