Rob McEwen wrote: > Matt Kettler wrote: > >> but in this case you gotta admit you're asking for >> the exact same kind of information as a spammer needs >> > > Marc 's purposes are "innocent", Marc is a trustworthy person, I know who Marc is.. I first "met" him when I was subscribed to sa-dev a long time ago and tried to defend him in a flame war back in July 2002.
(strangely, the dev-list member arguing strongest against Marc's idea was actually a contributor in the process of implementing that exact idea. But he still swore Marc's idea was a bad one doomed to ruin SA, largely because he mis-understood the context and pretty much refused to read it the right way. I haven't seen him on the lists in 3 years now, and he seems to be involved with bogofilter instead.) I'm also quite aware Marc appears in the SA credits under "Major Contributions", just as I do (I've changed ISPs, but I'm still Matt Kettler) That said, I don't think anyone, no matter how innocent or how much of an anti-spam crusader, deserves to be provided such information to circumvent an RBL unless it is provided by the RBL's owner. (in which case, they'd probably just add a bit of code to keep him out). I'd say the same to Justin Mason, Theo, or anyone else in the CREDITS file, no matter how close to the top they appear. Whether you like a RBL's listing policies or not, nobody should ever try to undermine a RBLs operation like that. They have a listing policy, and they're operating according to it. Outing someone else's spamtraps to anyone is a pretty serious breach of trust, especially if you're doing so to interfere with the RBL operating according to its listing policies. Even if it is to one person who is strongly anti-spam and the RBL has slightly over-strict listing policies. I may have my disputes with various RBLs, URIBLs, etc.. but I'd never do something like out their spamtraps unless I strongly felt the existence of RBL itself was contrary to the best interest of the Internet as a whole and the RBL needed to be shut down. i.e. if a spam gang ever created a "RBL" that listed only the IPs of those engaging in anti-spam efforts, I'd feel free to publicly publish as much information about their information gathering tactics as possible. But baring that.. Like I said.. "Sorry Marc, I like ya, but..." > >
