> Do I: > YOu have pointed out a key several times, but seemingly missed it.
These people are amatuers and newbies to the web. Quite possibly they are doing this whole thing themselves from a "web foe dummies" book. Almost certainly they got the idea of a web site from some customer suggesting that they should have one; they probably never actually USED the web themselves. Amazing as it may seem to most of us, there are still A LOT of people that don't use the web, and don't even use email. I know a dozen or so personally. These people will have at best a second-hand knowlwdge of the concept of spam, and not have the slightest idea how annoying it is. The solution here is not ire, it is education. Go to the place, get your hair cut, observe that they did a good job for a reasonable price, and perhaps suggest (AFTER the haircut, so YOU don't get upset while having your hair cut) that you might be able to help them understand the web better. Maybe they will take you up on that, maybe not. If they have some time before the next customer you can certainly explain about how to get people off mailing lists, and why you should, and such like. Just remember, and keep telling yourself, that these people aren't completely deliberately obtuse - they simply have no clue what you are talking about, so you will have to walk them through the process slowly, a step at a time, and NOT EXPECT them to get it on the first attempt. Now, besides all that, you DO have "an established business relationship" with them, so they were within their rights sending you stuff the first time. Of course it should have had an opt-out link which would have worked. But they are newbies, and honestly DIDN'T KNOW that. Thsy probably don't understand "opt out", nor why it is so important. Again, education, not ire, is the solution. As for the screwup after talking with them and their promising to "do something" about it: They *did* "do something" about it. It just wan't the right thing. This was probably from ignorance rather than malfeasance on their part. Here you can help them by explaining how all this should be done. You could even suggest that you would be happy to HELP THEM get their stuff working right. This might cost you 3-4 hours work at some point. But you are helping *yourself*, by making sure you won't get spam from them again. And you are fighting spam for others, since others that want to out put will have an effective solution. Make sense? Loren