On 2024-04-12 at 19:26:59 UTC-0400 (Fri, 12 Apr 2024 16:26:59 -0700)
jdow <j...@earthlink.net>
is rumored to have said:
> On 20240412 16:14:44, Greg Troxel wrote:
>> jdow<j...@earthlink.net> writes:
>>
>>> One pesky detail still exists. There is a very broad fuzzy area where
>>> my spam is your ham and vice versa. You could probably drive yourself
>>> to an early grave trying to get the perfect Bayes training plus
>>> perfect rule set.
>> spam is bulk and unsolicited. So yes the same message could be either,
>> but if a sender spams anyone, they are spammer, even if they send mail
>> that isn't spam.
>
> Ah, no, that way leads to disaster.
Not really. Maybe in theory, if you have a slightly wrong theory.
> Some people resign from lists by declaring the sender spam.
They are wrong, objectively, if they subscribed to the list without being
deceived about what the list entailed.
There is definitely a tension between the recognition that in the ultimate
analysis, 'spam' is in the eye of the beholder and the fact that there exist
clear lines between the grey areas in which one can rationally debate whether a
particular message is spam and the undebatable areas where the ham/spam
discrimination is clear.
> That could end up cutting access to all the people who want the emails.
That's far outside the realm of possible effects of defining what the default
welcomelist means and managing it transparently in line with that definition.
> (At various times this list and most 'ix lists were unusually difficult to
> resign from. And, yes, I have been around that long. I'm just too politically
> incorrect for most lists these days, {^_-}) It is wise to be careful about
> how soon you pull the "spammer" trigger. YMMV and YAMV (Attitude).
FWIW, we can't maintain SA to accommodate the obstinacy of gated BITNET
LISTSERV nodes in '89. The only reasons for unsub difficulties in 2024 are
technical failures and spammer excuses. Modern SpamAssassin is only supposed to
deal with modern realities, not historical curiosities.
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Bill Cole
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(AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses)
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