> On Jul 10, 2020, at 7:56 PM, RW <rwmailli...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 18:25:33 -0400
> Charles Sprickman wrote:
>
>
>> Also I just dug up the letter and the wording used was “commercial
>> use”. There was no mention of what the volume was or what the limit
>> would be.
>>
>
> The default is to use these list unregistered. Did that ISP register or
> did Spamhaus track them down from the IP address?
Spamhaus found them.
>> They also tagged one of the resolvers that access customers use
>> (there are two dedicated resolvers for BL lookups), so presumably
>> some very small and low-volume home and small biz users were being
>> tagged in aggregate, probably not even aware they’re using spamhaus.
>
> Low-volume users that don't know they should be doing recursive lookups
> will often get away with it, and even if they don't, being blocked isn't
> significantly worse for them than turning-off spamhaus.
I know they have plenty of users with SOHO NAS boxes, home users that tinker,
and other “power users”. SA is tucked away in many “appliances” these days it
seems.
> I thought most ISPs had outsourced or given-up on email. ISP email has
> IMO always been a way of locking-in gullible customers.
They are in NYC so there’s a sizable chunk of old netheads that want a) the
same address they’ve had since ’95 b) mail service that doesn’t exchange
privacy for free email c) vanity domains. It’s not a money maker, it’s a
value-add.
Personally I think Spamhaus and others going up to these tiny companies and
asking for hundreds of bucks a month for access to a list is kind of nuts, but
I’m no MBA.
I do wonder if they go after the larger hosters that run CPanel and have mail
scattered over hundreds of hosts or if those individually don’t trip the
threshold.
The small ISP with email is likely a dying breed, spam being one of the main
things that forces yet another service to be outsourced at a not-insignificant
cost. This same ISP discontinued Usenet service as a value-add only a few years
ago.
C
