Will, that is a really interesting read, thank you! Speaking of modern JSF, I really enjoyed reading a 2018 book: "The Definitive Guide to JSF in Java EE 8: Building Web Applications with JavaServer Faces 1st ed. Edition" by Scholtz, Bauke, Tijms, Arjan Here's one of the links to it https://www.amazon.com/Definitive-Guide-JSF-Java-Applications/dp/1484233867
It covers modern enhancements and quite a bit of complicated history of JSF. --- In one of our projects we nicely used a combination of https://freemarker.apache.org/ as a templating engine and JAX-RS, but I didn't like the fact that freemarker does not support Expression Language (JSR 341, https://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=341), I think this fits into the action framework concept. But I also tend to think JSF 2.1+, especially 2.3+ is a good choice, although it takes some time to learn but there are nice textbooks on it! My 2 cents, Nikita On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 18:50, Will Hartung <willhart...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 12:31 AM Som Lima <somplastic...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> My concerns layed to rest with my direction set. >> >> I feel I must ask one more question from this knowledge pool. A bonus >> question if you please. >> >> It is my understanding struts is a competitor to spring but I don't believe >> It is part of EE. >> >> Where does struts1 + 2 fit into the Big picture you guys painted ? > > > Formally, Struts in any form has nothing to with JEE. It's only a competitor > to a portion of Spring. > > Struts 1 needs to die in a fire. It should remain only to be held up as an > example of things not to do, especially today. It's single claim to fame back > in the day was simply that it arrived first. Struts 1 is awful, IMHO. Modern > JSP and Servlets alone are far better, and there are much better frameworks. > Struts II is a vast improvement and related to Strut 1 in name only. I would > put them both aside, frankly. > > In JEE, you have JSP 2.x + Servlets and JSF. JSP 2.x is, IMHO, one of the > finest web application templating systems out there. JSP + Tag files + > Expresion Language is really powerful. If you want a templating language for > other things, JSP is a rough fit. But if you want one for web pages, it's > really remarkable. > > That said, modern JSF is really amazing. It's really powerful, but it > certainly comes with complexity. JSF is a true modular and component based > framework that scary powerful abstractions can be laid upon. Most people > don't take it there, but the underlying capability is there. If you were to > go with a more server side rendering system, JSF is very viable. > > There's been calls for a JEE standard MVC framework. Struts II was considered > an MVC framework. The term "Action Framework" is another term of art for it. > That effort stalled and derailed when Oracle dumped JEE on to the world. I > don't know the current status. Spring has an action/MVC framework as well. > JAX-RS with a little work is a pretty usable action framework. > > Today, most folks seem to trend to javascript heavy, single page apps with > JSON backend services. In that case, you don't need much of anything server > side. I can not speak to those, as that's not my area of expertise. As a > rule, I find most modern webapps to be not very good. There needs to be a > balance between the heavy pages and static pages with live controls. In that > realm, I think JSF is a better fit, but I have not worked on such an app in > some time. > > Regards, > > Will Hartung --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
