On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 at 12:41, Tim via users <users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 2020-09-02 at 09:16 -0300, George N. White III wrote: > > In this forum and others, a lot of time and effort goes to dealing > > with hardware support. When you buy a macOS or Windows system, you > > don't expect problems getting the hardware to work. > > I do... I expect problems with Windows systems, because that's what > I'd always experienced. > Most of my Windows experience has been with enterprise level gear from big-name vendors (Compac, Dell, HP, IBM, Lenovo) either provided by IT or obtained through a standing-offer arrangement. Windows has had plenty of problems, but very few have been due to unsupported hardware. Installing linux on the same systems when new often encountered hardware that didn't have linux drivers, but most of the missing drivers appeared within a year or two. > Macs are designed as a whole. PCs are not. You've a plethora of > manufacturers all doing their own thing, your PC is a construct of > parts that were never designed together. It's no surprise that some of > them aren't compatible. And with peripheral manufacturers releasing > things that aren't complete, because they want to sell it quickly, then > shortly abandoning the product, never fixing the bugs, because they > want to sell the next thing. > Google has done interesting things to streamline the process of building and testing drivers. > I've had far more luck with Linux. Because if *someone* can find out > how to drive the hardware, and can find out how to deal with bugs, they > *will*, *and* they release the software. > Linux has been very useful with gear that is considered too old for the current version of Windows. Government and University labs often have piles of these unloved and unwanted machines that make very useful linux workstations. > > Going back to the original poster's comments; it always struck me as > odd how Apache is "httpd" on Fedora, not "apache." It struck me as the > height of conceit that Apache thinks they are *the* one and only HTTP > daemon. > One of the problems with open source is that you have to work with decisions made by the authors of software you use. Debian has put a lot of effort into policies that smooth out some of the rough edges in upstream packages. I assume RHEL has similar policies, but Fedora isn't as tightly controlled. Underlying this discussion is the idea that improving Fedora will lead to wider adoption in schools and universities that will ultimately benefit Red Hat (e.g., IBM). Meanwhile, How Google took over the classroom <https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/13/technology/google-education-chromebooks-schools.html> with chromebooks in 2017. One side effect of this is that users no longer assume that MS Office is essential for doing real work on PC's. By 2019 there were many articles telling users how to run linux apps on higher end chromebooks, and Chrome OS Systems Supporting Linux <https://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/dev/chromium-os/chrome-os-systems-supporting-linux> says "Unless otherwise specified, all devices launched in 2019 will support Linux (Beta)." Note that Google says Wayland is the preferred graphics system. Outside large enterprises, ChromeOS is hurting Windows adoption by younger users, and providing a gateway to Linux as a way to run specialized apps not available as native ChromOS apps. -- George N. White III
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