On Fri, 2020-05-15 at 17:38 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 2020-05-15 16:56, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Fri, 2020-05-15 at 06:32 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > > On 2020-05-15 02:51, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > > > But this discussion is rather irrelevant anyway.  You're not going to 
> > > > get what you want.  Online updates are not "supported".  You can do 
> > > > them if you want, but you are on your own.  I do online upgrades (not 
> > > > system upgrades), but I also generally reboot right after.  I prefer to 
> > > > do them online so I can keep using the computer while it's happening 
> > > > but also dnf doesn't support offline updates yet. 
> > > FWIW, I use KDE as my desktop and do all my updates online via dnf.
> > > 
> > > After the update I run "sudo tracer" and follow the advice given.  
> > > Sometimes, no action is needed.
> > > Sometimes, a few applications need to be restarted,  Sometimes, a 
> > > logout/login is best.  And, at other
> > > times it is a reboot which is advisable.
> > Same here, except that I use the tracer module for dnf so it's invoked
> > automatically. It occasionally tells me to reboot when I don't think it
> > should (I've reported it as a bug in the past but to no effect). Other
> > than that, it works for me.
> > 
> 
> Yes, for the most part it gives sound advice.  Today wasn't that day....but I 
> saw it coming.
> 
> Rather than asking me to logout/login it suggested that
> 
> systemctl restart dbus-broker
> 
> was all that is needed.  Well, as we know, lots of this communicate via dbus. 
>  I was fully
> aware what would happen and as predicted my session became unusable.

Ditto.

poc
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