On 2020-05-15 16:56, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Fri, 2020-05-15 at 06:32 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 2020-05-15 02:51, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>>> But this discussion is rather irrelevant anyway.  You're not going to get 
>>> what you want.  Online updates are not "supported".  You can do them if you 
>>> want, but you are on your own.  I do online upgrades (not system upgrades), 
>>> but I also generally reboot right after.  I prefer to do them online so I 
>>> can keep using the computer while it's happening but also dnf doesn't 
>>> support offline updates yet. 
>> FWIW, I use KDE as my desktop and do all my updates online via dnf.
>>
>> After the update I run "sudo tracer" and follow the advice given.  
>> Sometimes, no action is needed.
>> Sometimes, a few applications need to be restarted,  Sometimes, a 
>> logout/login is best.  And, at other
>> times it is a reboot which is advisable.
> Same here, except that I use the tracer module for dnf so it's invoked
> automatically. It occasionally tells me to reboot when I don't think it
> should (I've reported it as a bug in the past but to no effect). Other
> than that, it works for me.
>

Yes, for the most part it gives sound advice.  Today wasn't that day....but I 
saw it coming.

Rather than asking me to logout/login it suggested that

systemctl restart dbus-broker

was all that is needed.  Well, as we know, lots of this communicate via dbus.  
I was fully
aware what would happen and as predicted my session became unusable.


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