Hi :) Wow, there is a lot of detail in that 1st post but it's still looks like a good bug-report to me. The main gist is very clear very quickly and then the rest of the post just supports that. So, it's a good post.
Of course QA triagers are a bit "snowed under" at the moment and could probably use a hand if anyone is "up for" joining in with them. No coding skills required although you might learn odd little bits (or even massive amounts if you are up for it) by joining in with them. Although they might not get around to it any time soon it is good to know that the report is there for people to notice sometime in the future. it might grab a devs attention some day. Hopefully before it becomes urgent. Regards from Tom :) >________________________________ > From: Holger Schmithüsen <[email protected]> >To: Tom Davies <[email protected]> >Cc: [email protected] >Sent: Friday, 16 August 2013, 13:29 >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Why does writer create automatic styles for >every new element? > > >Done, bug reported at >https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68183 > >Holger > >On 08/16/13 12:38, Tom Davies wrote: >> Hi :) >> Bug report time! :) I think it would be good to see documents get lighter >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport >> >> They already compare favourably with documents produced by other >> office suites but even lighter than that would be great >> Regards from >> Tom :) >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Holger Schmithüsen <[email protected]> >> *To:* Tom Davies <[email protected]>; anne-ology >> <[email protected]>; [email protected] >> *Sent:* Friday, 16 August 2013, 8:46 >> *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Why does writer create >> automatic styles for every new element? >> >> Hi, >> >> thanks for the answers so far, however my question isn't answered yet. >> >> @Tom: Well, it's also my plan to stick to using styles. The >> problem here >> is not the odt-format itself, but it's the somewhat "messy" >> implementation in LibreOffice. As I said, when manually removing >> direct >> formatting (which hasn't been applied anyway) I get >> >> <text:p text:style-name="Title">This is my title</text:p> >> <text:p text:style-name="Text_20_body">This is a text body >> paragraph.</text:p> >> >> in "content.xml", which is straight and clean odt-formatting. >> However, >> my trouble is the default behaviour of LibreOffice, that it >> defines all >> those styles "P1", "P2", "T1", ... which are apparently perfectly >> meaningless and unnecessary. >> >> So, who knows how to get rid of this overhead by default? Or >> should this >> be considered a bug? >> >> Cheers, >> Holger >> >> >> On 08/16/13 01:57, Tom Davies wrote: >> > Hi :) >> > I find it easier to stick to using styles and then sometimes >> edit the >> > styles as a i go along. >> > >> > I don't know of any format that doesn't throw in tons of extra >> > formatting. Rtf is probably the one with the least extra random >> bits >> > of unused code but it's a legacy format that is out dated already. >> > Have you compared with the coding in other formats? I think Odt >> > manages to a void a lot of the personal information that gets >> stored >> > in Doc and DocX. I've not really looked at other formats much. >> > Regards from >> > Tom :) >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > *From:* anne-ology <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> > *To:* Holger Schmithüsen <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> > *Cc:* [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> > *Sent:* Thursday, 15 August 2013, 19:27 >> > *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Why does writer create >> > automatic styles for every new element? >> > >> > A simple solution - my method - is to merely type whatever >> > then add >> > whatever options as I go along; >> > this saves time in that I know what's what. >> > >> > If you set these templates, then decide that the title >> should be >> > smaller, or wish to set off some quote, or add some footnote, ... >> > ... ... >> > then you're stuck with whatever the template wants. >> > >> > I basically did/do the same thing when writing HTML - in >> > fact, now, >> > I have quite a lengthy page of HTML code which I apply whenever >> > necessary - >> > sure saves time having to remember what's what. >> > >> > Just some thoughts from the KIS corner ;-) >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Holger Schmithüsen < >> > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> <mailto:[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >> > >> > Hi! >> > > >> > > When I create a new Writer document, each element I enter >> in the >> > document >> > > (like a heading or paragraph) adds new elements to >> > > <office:automatic-styles> in "content.xml", even though I >> do not >> > use any >> > > direct formatting. So, selecting style "Title", entering the >> > title, then >> > > selecting "Text Body" and entering a paragraph creates the >> following >> > > automatic styles in "content.xml": >> > > >> > > <office:automatic-styles> >> > > <style:style style:name="P1" style:family="paragraph" >> > > style:parent-style-name="Text_**20_body"> >> > > <style:text-properties officeooo:paragraph-rsid="**00063317"/> >> > > </style:style> >> > > <style:style style:name="P2" style:family="paragraph" >> > > style:parent-style-name="**Title"> >> > > <style:text-properties officeooo:paragraph-rsid="**00063317"/> >> > > </style:style> >> > > <style:style style:name="T1" style:family="text"> >> > > <style:text-properties officeooo:rsid="00063317"/> >> > > </style:style> >> > > </office:automatic-styles> >> > > >> > > and the actual content: >> > > >> > > <office:body> >> > > <office:text> >> > > <text:p text:style-name="P2"><text:**span >> > text:style-name="T1">This is my >> > > title</text:span></text:p> >> > > <text:p text:style-name="P1"><text:**span >> > text:style-name="T1">This is a >> > > text body paragraph.</text:span></text:**p> >> > > </office:text> >> > > </office:body> >> > > >> > > Now, I can delete the unwanted direct formatting by clicking >> > "Format - >> > > Clear direct formatting". Then, the content looks as nice >> and clean: >> > > >> > > <text:p text:style-name="Title">This is my title</text:p> >> > > <text:p text:style-name="Text_20_body"**>This is a text body >> > > paragraph.</text:p> >> > > >> > > However, this removal of unnecessary direct formatting is >> not very >> > > appropriate, as I sometimes do have direct formatting (a >> > subscript for >> > > instance). >> > > Is it possible to suppress Writer's behaviour of defining those >> > > meaningless automatic styles? And if not, is it possible to get >> > rid of only >> > > the meaningless direct formatting, i.e. those <style:style> >> > elements, that >> > > do not contain any formatting attributes? >> > > >> > > I'm using LibreOffice Version 4.0.3.3. >> > > >> > > Thanks for your help, >> > > Holger >> > > >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > To unsubscribe e-mail to: >> [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> > <mailto:[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> > Problems? >> > >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> > Posting guidelines + more: >> > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >> > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and >> > cannot be deleted >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and >> cannot be deleted >> >> > > > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
