On 3/20/06, Craig McClanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3/15/06, Michael Jouravlev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Compare the (upcoming)
> > > implementation of the iBATIS JPetStore application (implemented with
> > > Struts, but with a "dispatch actions" hack)
> >
> > Who's making it? iBatis guys? I am interested, I am fond of "dispatch
> > action hacks."
>
>
> Figured you might be :-).
>
> The starting point for this is the "JPetStore 5.0 Example Application"
> available at:
>
> http://ibatis.apache.org/javadownloads.html
>
> I'm not done with the conversion yet, but it ends up being much less
> interesting than I had expected -- pretty much 1:1 mechanical conversions.
Thanks, I will check it out!
> > I agree that a component framework has its benefits. But with upgrade
> > from Struts to JSF why not to upgrate the whole platform including OS?
> > JSF is a component framework. JSF is not the component framework.
>
>
> Please show me an alternative component framework (in the Java landscape)
> that has attracted anything close to the same level of attention.
Did you see that I mentioned a different OS? As in operating system,
not open source ;-) I meant Windows + ASP.NET. ASP.NET 2.0 is very
good, and upcoming WPF will blow everything else away. I am also
reading about RoR now and the language (Ruby) as well as framework do
look really nice. Though RoR may not be a component framework.
> > There is no upgrade path from Struts to JSF, even JSP pages are
> > different. The fact that JSP is now regarded as "that crusty stuff we
> > brought with us to make show that JSF provides backward compatibility"
> > does not make JSF more appealing that other component frameworks. Oh
> > right, JSF *is* a standard.
>
> Talk to me in six months. Talk to me in a year. Guess who is going to be
> smiling about what happened :-).
More like a year than 6 months. But I do know what will happen. JSF
will win. It is the official standard, it has real benefits over
Struts, it has vendor support, I guess it starts gaining employers'
support too (I don't see it, but it would be logical to develop
application with tools that are/will be widely used, smart from
business standpoint).
I am not actually arguing that JSF will win, Frank does ;-) I just
think that it will be not exactly a fair and square win ("we all
gathered here for technology, not for politics" is B.S. that I don't
care about). But comparing to soviet-like single-party MS-land,
Javaland is still a Wild West of software development ;)
Michael.
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