Hi, Maxim,

I turned on the debug mode and I did see error messages in the Chrome debug
console.
But I don't know how to fix the problems. Do you know how? Please see the
messages below.

["onselect WxH :: 120x90"]
VM497:1 ["resize:: 120x90"]
VM498:1 ["Camera selected:: 0"]
VM499:1 ["Entering getCam ..."]
VM500:1 ["IS NO INTERVIEW "]
VM501:1 ["... getCam DONE [object Camera]"]
VM502:1 (2) ["Camera selected:: [object Camera]", false]
VM504:1 ["Entering getCam ..."]
VM505:1 ["IS NO INTERVIEW "]
VM506:1 ["... getCam DONE [object Camera]"]
VM507:1 ["_attachCamera():: muted ? false"]
VM508:1 ["_attachCamera()::done"]
:8443/open/1:1 POST https://www.ideastoproduct.net:8443/open/1
net::ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE
VM512:1 ["ConnectionStatus: NetConnection.Connect.Failed"]
VM517:1 (2) ["setRightsCallback", Array(1)]
VM518:1 (3) ["_updateExclusive", Array(1), Array(3)]
VM705:1 (2) ["appInit()", {…}]
VM706:1 ["resize:: 300x200"]
VM707:1 (2) ["NetConnection is not connected", "rtmps://
www.ideastoproduct.net:8443/openmeetings/2"]
:8443/open/1:1 POST https://www.ideastoproduct.net:8443/open/1
net::ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE
VM798:1 ["ConnectionStatus: NetConnection.Connect.Failed"]

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> You can try to turn-on client debugging and check browser console ...
>
> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Massages from openmeetings.log are just DEBUG messages, nothing to worry
>> about
>> Have you saved the Camera/Mic settings in Settings dialog?
>>
>> I don't know what can be wrong since everything works on demo ...
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:06 PM, Tom Luo <mario...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Adobe Flash in Firefox somethings will crash in the step.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 8:35 AM, Tom Luo <mario...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In the choose device window, it will ask for camera permission.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 8:33 AM, Tom Luo <mario...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In the demo website, after I enter a public room, the browser will ask
>>>>> for the camera permission, however, in my website, the browser does not 
>>>>> ask.
>>>>> This means the browser does not want to use camera. I don't know why.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Tom Luo <mario...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I checked my openmeetings.log.
>>>>>> I do see an error message:
>>>>>> DEBUG 11-09 08:16:21.272 o.a.o.c.r.ScopeApplicationAdapter:767
>>>>>> [Thread-57] - [MessageSender] -> 'Unable to send message to NULL scope'
>>>>>> clientUpdated, null
>>>>>> DEBUG 11-09 08:16:21.297 o.a.o.d.d.r.PollDao:103 [0.0-5443-exec-3] -
>>>>>> :: hasPoll :: 4
>>>>>> DEBUG 11-09 08:16:21.300 o.a.o.d.d.r.PollDao:97 [0.0-5443-exec-3] -
>>>>>> :: getArchived :: 4
>>>>>> DEBUG 11-09 08:16:32.706 o.a.o.w.c.MainPanel:117 [0.0-5443-exec-9] -
>>>>>> Sending WebSocket PING
>>>>>> DEBUG 11-09 08:16:39.925 o.a.o.w.a.Application:619 [0.0-5443-exec-8]
>>>>>> - Removing online room client: 8ad9cbcb-7ebc-4822-a8fb-c590c152448d,
>>>>>> room: 4
>>>>>> DEBUG 11-09 08:16:39.932 o.a.o.c.r.ScopeApplicationAdapter:767
>>>>>> [Thread-58] - [MessageSender] -> 'Unable to send message to NULL scope'
>>>>>> stopStream, java.lang.Object@4fa3b9c5
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this related to my problem?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Tom Luo <mario...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, Maxim,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also thought I just need to set the Camera/Microphone once and it
>>>>>>> will automatically start. This is the case in OM3.3.
>>>>>>> However, in OM4.0, this does not work. I can see the video in the
>>>>>>> settings, but I cannot see the video after that.
>>>>>>> Please see the attached image. I really don't know why. It is so
>>>>>>> strange. The port issue is solved.
>>>>>>> So, I know the port does not cause this problem.
>>>>>>> Do you know why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 2:54 AM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>>>>> solomax...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello Tom,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm answering emails as soon as I got free time, you shouldn't
>>>>>>>> expect immediate answer :))
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Camera/Microphone will be started automatically as soon as you will
>>>>>>>> set it up once
>>>>>>>> So open the settings, choose correct devises, press Save
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> According to port availability you need to check detailed results:
>>>>>>>> push small "Copy" button on the right, Paste result to some text file 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> check what is wrong
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 2:40 AM, Tom Luo <mario...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Another issue is that when I do port testing using the tool on the
>>>>>>>>> login page. The port testing always fails even thought I opened all 
>>>>>>>>> ports
>>>>>>>>> in my server.
>>>>>>>>> Do you know why? Is this issue related to the camera issue?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Tom Luo <mario...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Right now, I can see my video if I click "choose device".
>>>>>>>>>> However, I still cannot see the video in my camera in the public
>>>>>>>>>> conference.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The demo website does not have this problem. So, I know it must
>>>>>>>>>> be some settings in my side.
>>>>>>>>>> Any idea how to solve this issue?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Tom Luo <mario...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ok. I fixed the problem. Now I can connect using https. I will
>>>>>>>>>>> explain to you how I fixed the problem later.
>>>>>>>>>>> However, after I enter a public room, it seems my camera is not
>>>>>>>>>>> working.
>>>>>>>>>>> I remember in OM3.3. The camera automatically starts. Is there a
>>>>>>>>>>> button I need to press in OM4.0 to start my camera?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>>>>>>>>> solomax...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm referring these instructions: http://openmeeti
>>>>>>>>>>>> ngs.apache.org/RTMPSAndHTTPS.html
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately I have no time to check everything ....
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 12:29 AM, Tom Luo <mario...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now there are some logs in red5.log
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-11-08 17:26:39,998 [NioProcessor-11] INFO
>>>>>>>>>>>>> o.r.s.net.rtmp.RTMPMinaConnection - Connection is closed:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> WNZC8FWV7N3VL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-11-08 17:26:39,998 [NioProcessor-11] WARN
>>>>>>>>>>>>> o.r.s.net.rtmp.RTMPMinaIoHandler - Connection was not found
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for WNZC8FWV7N3VL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-11-08 17:26:40,007 [RTMPConnectionScheduler-5] WARN
>>>>>>>>>>>>> o.r.server.net.rtmp.RTMPConnection - Closing O4WODAWEPAMAT,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> due to long handshake. State: connect
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-11-08 17:26:40,007 [NioProcessor-12] INFO
>>>>>>>>>>>>> o.r.s.net.rtmp.RTMPMinaConnection - Connection is closed:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> O4WODAWEPAMAT
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-11-08 17:26:40,007 [NioProcessor-12] WARN
>>>>>>>>>>>>> o.r.s.net.rtmp.RTMPMinaIoHandler - Connection was not found
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for O4WODAWEPAMAT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Tom Luo <mario...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openmeetings.markmail.org/message/j4gx2q6woidyqj7l?q=
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> letsencrypt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is the instruction I followed. I performed step 1-8.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just skipped step 7 as you said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't feel I miss any step.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solomax...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe you miss some steps from the instructions?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 12:17 AM, Tom Luo <mario...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. I did SSL for the web interface and Set up Native
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RTMPS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It still does not work. Nothing is listening at port 5443.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have any other ideas why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solomax...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you performed these: http://openmeetings.apa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> che.org/RTMPSAndHTTPS.html#SSL_for_the_web_interface
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steps?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 11:14 PM, Tom Luo <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mario...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I cleared my old log and restarted the red5.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is my red5.log:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-11-08 11:04:47,270 [main] INFO
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.red5.server.Launcher - Red5 Server 1.0.10 (
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/Red5)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-11-08 11:04:47,338 [main] INFO
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> o.s.c.s.FileSystemXmlApplicationContext - Refreshing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.springframework.context.su
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pport.FileSystemXmlApplicationContext@5f2050f6: startup
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> date [Wed Nov 08 11:04:47 EST 2017]; root of context 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hierarchy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-11-08 11:04:47,393 [main] INFO
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> o.s.b.f.xml.XmlBeanDefinitionReader - Loading XML bean
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitions from class path resource [red5.xml]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-11-08 11:04:47,572 [main] INFO
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> o.s.b.f.xml.XmlBeanDefinitionReader - Loading XML bean
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitions from class path resource [jee-container.xml]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right now, I can still use http at port 5080 to access
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OM4.0; however https still does not work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do I need to check other places?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solomax...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please check red5.log.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Red5 reports what ports it is listening
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ports are configured in red5.properties
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTTP vs HTTPS is being configured in jee*.xml
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All other configuration values are in Admin->Config
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 10:53 PM, Tom Luo <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mario...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a similar configuration file like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> webapps/openmeetings/public/config.xml in OM4.0?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Tom Luo <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mario...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Maxim,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I checked the more up-to-date instructions you sent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It still lists step 7:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> webapps/openmeetings/public/config.xml|
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand you said this step is not necessary.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I tried to access mydoamin:5443/openmeetings.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just see an inaccessible error. More important, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tried sudo netstat -plnt, but nothing is listening at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> port 5443.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, I started the red5 server. Do you know why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 1:52 AM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solomax...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is email from 2016
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not necessary to modify config.xml anymore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These parameters are redundant since 4.0.0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <protocol>https</protocol> <red5httpport>5443</
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> red5httpport> <rtmpsslport>5443</rtmpsslport>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These can be set via Admin->Config
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <useSSL>yes</useSSL> <proxyType>none</proxyType>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the thread with more up-to-date instructions:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://markmail.org/message/ik4qdhdychl364bp (I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't check them ... )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Tom Luo <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mario...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the email:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://openmeetings.markmail.o
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rg/message/hqwjnihcfb4tqxkx?q=letsencrypt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It said we need to modify
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Edit ../webapps/openmeetings/public/config.xml and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <protocol>https</protocol>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <red5httpport>5443</red5httpport>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rtmpsslport>5443</rtmpsslport>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <useSSL>yes</useSSL> <proxyType>none</proxyType>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, in OM4.0, I cannot find the config.xml file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, which file should I modify?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WBR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WBR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WBR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WBR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> WBR
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> WBR
>>>>>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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>> Maxim aka solomax
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