> - still getting 1-2 sstable reads with LCS
That's bang in the wheel house
http://www.datastax.com/dev/blog/when-to-use-leveled-compaction

> However at startup I see a 5GB old gen ( that seems to be very stable at 
> around 5.5GB under moderate 90:10 read:write load - couple hundred q/s ) 
At 300 to 400 million rows that sounds roughly right. I've not done any 
calculations, but I just spilt a coffee and checked the stain it made. 

The interesting thing is what happens at the end of a CMS run. How low does it 
get ?

>  Also hinted handoff is off, as full GC pauses of 1-3seconds on nodes I have 
> not yet attended to
I would look at the first. 
Search the user group for "correlate compaction gc" as a starting point. 

Cheers

-----------------
Aaron Morton
Freelance Cassandra Developer
New Zealand

@aaronmorton
http://www.thelastpickle.com

-----------------
Aaron Morton
Freelance Cassandra Developer
New Zealand

@aaronmorton
http://www.thelastpickle.com

On 26/02/2013, at 3:22 AM, Andras Szerdahelyi 
<andras.szerdahe...@ignitionone.com> wrote:

> ( I am monitoring via a visual vm plugin that shows generation sizes )
> I've increased the index sampling rate from 64 to 512 and the bloom filter fp 
> ratio from default to 0.1 ( and rebuilt stables ) - still getting 1-2 sstable 
> reads with LCS
> However at startup I see a 5GB old gen ( that seems to be very stable at 
> around 5.5GB under moderate 90:10 read:write load - couple hundred q/s ) is 
> that a realistic size with these values and a ~200GB CF with 3-400mil rows? ( 
> no secondary indexes, skinny rows 1-5K each ) ? 
> 
> Also hinted handoff is off, as full GC pauses of 1-3seconds on nodes I have 
> not yet attended to ( sampling rate at 64, bloom fp default ) are kicking off 
> the failure detector even at a phi_convict_threshold of 12 ( apparently ? ) 
> and everything is in an up/down dance :-)
> 
> Thanks!
> Andras
> 
> From: aaron morton <aa...@thelastpickle.com>
> Reply-To: "user@cassandra.apache.org" <user@cassandra.apache.org>
> Date: Friday 22 February 2013 17:44
> To: "user@cassandra.apache.org" <user@cassandra.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: "Heap is N.N full." Immediately on startup
> 
> To get a good idea of how GC is performing turn on the GC logging in 
> cassandra-env.sh. 
> 
> After a full cms GC event, see how big the tenured heap is. If it's not 
> reducing enough then GC will never get far enough ahead. 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> -----------------
> Aaron Morton
> Freelance Cassandra Developer
> New Zealand
> 
> @aaronmorton
> http://www.thelastpickle.com
> 
> On 22/02/2013, at 8:37 AM, Andras Szerdahelyi 
> <andras.szerdahe...@ignitionone.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thank you- indeed my index interval is 64 with a CF of 300M rows + bloom 
>> filter false positive chance was default.
>> Raising the index interval to 512 didn't fix this  alone, so I guess I'll 
>> have to set the bloom filter to some reasonable value and scrub.
>> 
>> From: aaron morton <aa...@thelastpickle.com>
>> Reply-To: "user@cassandra.apache.org" <user@cassandra.apache.org>
>> Date: Thursday 21 February 2013 17:58
>> To: "user@cassandra.apache.org" <user@cassandra.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: "Heap is N.N full." Immediately on startup
>> 
>> My first guess would be the bloom filter and index sampling from lots-o-rows 
>> 
>> Check the row count in cfstats
>> Check the bloom filter size in cfstats. 
>> 
>> Background on memory requirements 
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/user@cassandra.apache.org/msg25762.html
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> -----------------
>> Aaron Morton
>> Freelance Cassandra Developer
>> New Zealand
>> 
>> @aaronmorton
>> http://www.thelastpickle.com
>> 
>> On 20/02/2013, at 11:27 PM, Andras Szerdahelyi 
>> <andras.szerdahe...@ignitionone.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey list,
>>> 
>>> Any ideas ( before I take a heap dump ) what might be consuming my 8GB JVM 
>>> heap at startup in Cassandra 1.1.6 besides
>>> row cache : not persisted and is at 0 keys when this warning is produced
>>> Memtables : no write traffic at startup, my app's column families are 
>>> durable_writes:false
>>> Pending tasks : no pending tasks, except for 928 compactions ( not sure 
>>> where those are coming from )
>>> I drew these conclusions from the StatusLogger output below: 
>>> 
>>> INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,198 GCInspector.java (line 122) 
>>> GC for ConcurrentMarkSweep: 14959 ms for 2 collections, 7017934560 used; 
>>> max is 8375238656
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,198 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 57) Pool Name                    Active   Pending   Blocked
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,199 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 72) ReadStage                         0         0         0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,200 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 72) RequestResponseStage              0         0         0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,200 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 72) ReadRepairStage                   0         0         0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,200 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 72) MutationStage                     0        -1         0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,201 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 72) ReplicateOnWriteStage             0         0         0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,201 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 72) GossipStage                       0         0         0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,201 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 72) AntiEntropyStage                  0         0         0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,201 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 72) MigrationStage                    0         0         0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,201 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 72) StreamStage                       0         0         0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,202 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 72) MemtablePostFlusher               0         0         0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,202 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 72) FlushWriter                       0         0         0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,202 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 72) MiscStage                         0         0         0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,202 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 72) commitlog_archiver                0         0         0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,203 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 72) InternalResponseStage             0         0         0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,212 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 77) CompactionManager                 0       928
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,212 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 89) MessagingService                n/a       0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,212 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 99) Cache Type                     Size                 Capacity            
>>>    KeysToSave                                                         
>>> Provider
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,212 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 100) KeyCache                         25                       25           
>>>            all                                                              
>>>    
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,213 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 106) RowCache                          0                        0           
>>>            all              
>>> org.apache.cassandra.cache.SerializingCacheProvider
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,213 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 113) ColumnFamily                Memtable ops,data
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,213 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) MYAPP_1.CF                        0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,213 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) MYAPP_2.CF                         0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,213 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) HiveMetaStore.MetaStore                   0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,213 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) system.NodeIdInfo                         0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,213 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) system.IndexInfo                          0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,213 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) system.LocationInfo                       0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,214 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) system.Versions                           0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,214 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) system.schema_keyspaces                   0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,214 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) system.Migrations                         0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,214 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) system.schema_columnfamilies                 0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,214 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) system.schema_columns                     0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,214 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) system.HintsColumnFamily                  0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,214 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) system.Schema                             0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,214 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) cfs_archive.sblocks                       0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,214 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) cfs_archive.cleanup                       0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,215 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) cfs_archive.inode                         0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,215 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) cfs.cleanup                               0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,215 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) cfs.sblocks                               0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,215 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) cfs.inode                                 0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,215 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) OpsCenter.events                          0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,215 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) OpsCenter.rollups300                      0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,215 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) OpsCenter.rollups86400                    0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,215 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) OpsCenter.pdps                      345,54448
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,215 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) OpsCenter.events_timeline                 0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,216 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) OpsCenter.settings                        0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,216 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) OpsCenter.rollups7200                     0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,216 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) OpsCenter.rollups60                       0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,216 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) demo.users                                0,0
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,216 StatusLogger.java (line 
>>> 116) MYAPP_3.CF                         0,0
>>>  WARN [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,216 GCInspector.java (line 
>>> 145) Heap is 0.8379384574280004 full.  You may need to reduce memtable 
>>> and/or cache sizes.  Cassandra will now flush up to the two largest 
>>> memtables to free up memory.  Adjust flush_largest_memtables_at threshold 
>>> in cassandra.yaml if you don't want Cassandra to do this automatically
>>>  WARN [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,217 StorageService.java (line 
>>> 2855) Flushing CFS(Keyspace='OpsCenter', ColumnFamily='pdps') to relieve 
>>> memory pressure
>>>  INFO [ScheduledTasks:1] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,217 ColumnFamilyStore.java 
>>> (line 659) Enqueuing flush of Memtable-pdps@98567689(15238/54448 
>>> serialized/live bytes, 345 ops)
>>>  INFO [FlushWriter:6] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,218 Memtable.java (line 264) 
>>> Writing Memtable-pdps@98567689(15238/54448 serialized/live bytes, 345 ops)
>>>  INFO [FlushWriter:6] 2013-02-20 05:13:25,241 Memtable.java (line 305) 
>>> Completed flushing 
>>> /var/lib/cassandra/data/OpsCenter/pdps/OpsCenter-pdps-hf-127-Data.db (5394 
>>> bytes) for commitlog position ReplayPosition(segmentId=1361354508149, :
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> Andras
>>> 
>> 
> 

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