> Will that cause  the symptom of no data streamed from other nodes? Other 
> nodes still think the node had all the data?
AFAIk they will not make assumptions like that. 

>  Can I just change it in yaml and restart C* and it will correct itself?
It's a schema config change, check the help for the CLI or the CQL docs. 

> Any side effect? Since we are using SSD, a bit bigger SSD won't slow down the 
> read too much, I suppose that is the main concern for bigger size of SSTable?
Do some experiments to see how it works, and let others know :) 

Cheers


-----------------
Aaron Morton
Freelance Cassandra Developer
New Zealand

@aaronmorton
http://www.thelastpickle.com

On 31/01/2013, at 5:30 PM, Wei Zhu <wz1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Some updates:
> Since we still have not fully turned on the system. We did something crazy 
> today. We tried to treat the node as dead one. (My boss wants us to practice 
> replacing a dead node before going to full production) and boot strap it. 
> Here is what we did:
> 
>       • drain the node
>       • check nodetool on other nodes, and this node is marked down (the 
> token for this node is 100)
>       • clear the data, commit log, saved cache
>       • change initial_token from 100 to 99 in the yaml file
>       • start the node
>       • check nodetool, the down node of 100 disappeared by itself (!!) and 
> new node with token 99 showed up
>       • checked log, see the message saying bootstrap completed. But only a 
> couple of MB streamed. 
>       • nodetool movetoken 98
>       • nodetool, see the node with token 98 comes up. 
>       • check log, see the message saying bootstrap completed. But still only 
> a couple of MB streamed.
> The only reason I can think of is that the new node has the same IP as the 
> "dead" node we tried to replace? Will that cause  the symptom of no data 
> streamed from other nodes? Other nodes still think the node had all the data?
> 
> We had to do nodetool repair -pr to bring in the data. After 3 hours, 150G  
> transferred. And no surprise, pending compaction tasks are now at 30K. There 
> are about 30K SStable transferred and I guess all of them needs to be 
> compacted since we use LCS.
> 
> My concern is that if we did nothing wrong, replacing a dead node will cause 
> such a hugh back log of pending compaction. It might take a week to clear 
> that off. And we have RF = 3, we still need to bring in the data for the 
> other two replicates since we use "pr" for nodetool repair. It will take 
> about 3 weeks to fully replace a 200G node using LCS? We tried everything we 
> can to speed up the compaction and no luck. The only thing I can think of is 
> to increase the default size of SSTable, so less number of compaction will be 
> needed. Can I just change it in yaml and restart C* and it will correct 
> itself? Any side effect? Since we are using SSD, a bit bigger SSD won't slow 
> down the read too much, I suppose that is the main concern for bigger size of 
> SSTable?
>  
> I think 1.2 comes with parallel LC which should help the situation. But we 
> are not going to upgrade for a little while.
> 
> Did I miss anything? It might not be practical to use LCS for 200G node? But 
> if  we use Sized compaction, we need to have at least 400G for the 
> HD...Although SSD is cheap now, still hard to convince the management. three 
> replicates + double the Disk for compaction? that is 6 times of the real data 
> size!
> 
> Sorry for the long email. Any suggestion or advice?
> 
> Thanks.
> -Wei 
> 
> From: "aaron morton" <aa...@thelastpickle.com>
> To: "Cassandra User" <user@cassandra.apache.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 12:59:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Cassandra pending compaction tasks keeps increasing
> 
> * Will try it tomorrow. Do I need to restart server to change the log level?
> You can set it via JMX, and supposedly log4j is configured to watch the 
> config file. 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> -----------------
> Aaron Morton
> Freelance Cassandra Developer
> New Zealand
> 
> @aaronmorton
> http://www.thelastpickle.com
> 
> On 29/01/2013, at 9:36 PM, Wei Zhu <wz1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the reply. Here is some information:
> 
> Do you have wide rows ? Are you seeing logging about "Compacting wide rows" ? 
> 
> * I don't see any log about "wide rows"
> 
> Are you seeing GC activity logged or seeing CPU steal on a VM ? 
> 
> * There is some GC, but CPU general is under 20%. We have heap size of 8G, 
> RAM is at 72G.
> 
> Have you tried disabling multithreaded_compaction ? 
> 
> * By default, it's disabled. We enabled it, but doesn't see much difference. 
> Even a little slower with it's enabled. Is it bad to enable it? We have SSD, 
> according to comment in yaml, it should help while using SSD.
> 
> Are you using Key Caches ? Have you tried disabling 
> compaction_preheat_key_cache? 
> 
> * We have fairly big Key caches, we set as 10% of Heap which is 800M. Yes, 
> compaction_preheat_key_cache is disabled. 
> 
> Can you enabled DEBUG level logging and make them available ? 
> 
> * Will try it tomorrow. Do I need to restart server to change the log level?
> 
> 
> -Wei
> 
> 
> From: "aaron morton" <aa...@thelastpickle.com>
> To: user@cassandra.apache.org
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:31:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Cassandra pending compaction tasks keeps increasing
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> * Why nodetool repair increases the data size that much? It's not likely that 
> much data needs to be repaired. Will that happen for all the subsequent 
> repair? 
> Repair only detects differences in entire rows. If you have very wide rows 
> then small differences in rows can result in a large amount of streaming. 
> Streaming creates new SSTables on the receiving side, which then need to be 
> compacted. So repair often results in compaction doing it's thing for a 
> while. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> * How to make LCS run faster? After almost a day, the LCS tasks only dropped 
> by 1000. I am afraid it will never catch up. We set 
> 
> 
> This is going to be tricky to diagnose, sorry for asking silly questions... 
> 
> 
> Do you have wide rows ? Are you seeing logging about "Compacting wide rows" ? 
> Are you seeing GC activity logged or seeing CPU steal on a VM ? 
> Have you tried disabling multithreaded_compaction ? 
> Are you using Key Caches ? Have you tried disabling 
> compaction_preheat_key_cache? 
> Can you enabled DEBUG level logging and make them available ? 
> 
> 
> Cheers 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----------------- 
> Aaron Morton 
> Freelance Cassandra Developer 
> New Zealand 
> 
> 
> @aaronmorton 
> http://www.thelastpickle.com 
> 
> 
> On 29/01/2013, at 8:59 AM, Derek Williams < de...@fyrie.net > wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> I could be wrong about this, but when repair is run, it isn't just values 
> that are streamed between nodes, it's entire sstables. This causes a lot of 
> duplicate data to be written which was already correct on the node, which 
> needs to be compacted away. 
> 
> 
> As for speeding it up, no idea. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Wei Zhu < wz1...@yahoo.com > wrote: 
> 
> 
> Any thoughts? 
> 
> 
> Thanks. 
> -Wei 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
> From: "Wei Zhu" < wz1...@yahoo.com > 
> To: user@cassandra.apache.org 
> 
> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 10:09:37 PM 
> Subject: Re: Cassandra pending compaction tasks keeps increasing 
> 
> 
> 
> To recap the problem, 
> 1.1.6 on SSD, 5 nodes, RF = 3, one CF only. 
> After data load, initially all 5 nodes have very even data size (135G, each). 
> I ran nodetool repair -pr on node 1 which have replicates on node 2, node 3 
> since we set RF = 3. 
> It appears that huge amount of data got transferred. Node 1 has 220G, node 2, 
> 3 have around 170G. Pending LCS task on node 1 is 15K and node 2, 3 have 
> around 7K each. 
> Questions: 
> 
> * Why nodetool repair increases the data size that much? It's not likely that 
> much data needs to be repaired. Will that happen for all the subsequent 
> repair? 
> * How to make LCS run faster? After almost a day, the LCS tasks only dropped 
> by 1000. I am afraid it will never catch up. We set 
> 
> 
> * compaction_throughput_mb_per_sec = 500 
> * multithreaded_compaction: true 
> 
> 
> 
> Both Disk and CPU util are less than 10%. I understand LCS is single 
> threaded, any chance to speed it up? 
> 
> 
> * We use default SSTable size as 5M, Will increase the size of SSTable help? 
> What will happen if I change the setting after the data is loaded. 
> 
> 
> Any suggestion is very much appreciated. 
> 
> -Wei 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
> From: "Wei Zhu" < wz1...@yahoo.com > 
> To: user@cassandra.apache.org 
> 
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:46:04 PM 
> Subject: Re: Cassandra pending compaction tasks keeps increasing 
> 
> I believe I am running into this one: 
> 
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-4765 
> 
> By the way, I am using 1.1.6 (I though I was using 1.1.7) and this one is 
> fixed in 1.1.7. 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
> From: "Wei Zhu" < wz1...@yahoo.com > 
> To: user@cassandra.apache.org 
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:18:59 PM 
> Subject: Re: Cassandra pending compaction tasks keeps increasing 
> 
> Thanks Derek, 
> in the cassandra-env.sh, it says 
> 
> # reduce the per-thread stack size to minimize the impact of Thrift 
> # thread-per-client. (Best practice is for client connections to 
> # be pooled anyway.) Only do so on Linux where it is known to be 
> # supported. 
> # u34 and greater need 180k 
> JVM_OPTS="$JVM_OPTS -Xss180k" 
> 
> What value should I use? Java defaults at 400K? Maybe try that first. 
> 
> Thanks. 
> -Wei 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Derek Williams" < de...@fyrie.net > 
> To: user@cassandra.apache.org , "Wei Zhu" < wz1...@yahoo.com > 
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:06:00 PM 
> Subject: Re: Cassandra pending compaction tasks keeps increasing 
> 
> 
> Increasing the stack size in cassandra-env.sh should help you get past the 
> stack overflow. Doesn't help with your original problem though. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 12:00 AM, Wei Zhu < wz1...@yahoo.com > wrote: 
> 
> 
> Well, even after restart, it throws the the same exception. I am basically 
> stuck. Any suggestion to clear the pending compaction tasks? Below is the end 
> of stack trace: 
> 
> at com.google.common.collect.Sets$1.iterator(Sets.java:578) 
> at com.google.common.collect.Sets$1.iterator(Sets.java:578) 
> at com.google.common.collect.Sets$1.iterator(Sets.java:578) 
> at com.google.common.collect.Sets$1.iterator(Sets.java:578) 
> at com.google.common.collect.Sets$3.iterator(Sets.java:667) 
> at com.google.common.collect.Sets$3.size(Sets.java:670) 
> at com.google.common.collect.Iterables.size(Iterables.java:80) 
> at 
> org.apache.cassandra.db.DataTracker.buildIntervalTree(DataTracker.java:557) 
> at 
> org.apache.cassandra.db.compaction.CompactionController.<init>(CompactionController.java:69)
>  
> at 
> org.apache.cassandra.db.compaction.CompactionTask.execute(CompactionTask.java:105)
>  
> at 
> org.apache.cassandra.db.compaction.LeveledCompactionTask.execute(LeveledCompactionTask.java:50)
>  
> at 
> org.apache.cassandra.db.compaction.CompactionManager$1.runMayThrow(CompactionManager.java:154)
>  
> at org.apache.cassandra.utils.WrappedRunnable.run(WrappedRunnable.java:30) 
> at java.util.concurrent.Executors$RunnableAdapter.call(Unknown Source) 
> at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask$Sync.innerRun(Unknown Source) 
> at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.run(Unknown Source) 
> at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.runTask(Unknown Source) 
> at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(Unknown Source) 
> at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source) 
> 
> Any suggestion is very much appreciated 
> 
> -Wei 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Wei Zhu" < wz1...@yahoo.com > 
> To: user@cassandra.apache.org 
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:55:07 PM 
> Subject: Re: Cassandra pending compaction tasks keeps increasing 
> 
> Do you mean 90% of the reads should come from 1 SSTable? 
> 
> By the way, after I finished the data migrating, I ran nodetool repair -pr on 
> one of the nodes. Before nodetool repair, all the nodes have the same disk 
> space usage. After I ran the nodetool repair, the disk space for that node 
> jumped from 135G to 220G, also there are more than 15000 pending compaction 
> tasks. After a while , Cassandra started to throw the exception like below 
> and stop compacting. I had to restart the node. By the way, we are using 
> 1.1.7. Something doesn't seem right. 
> 
> 
> INFO [CompactionExecutor:108804] 2013-01-24 22:23:10,427 CompactionTask.java 
> (line 109) Compacting 
> [SSTableReader(path='/ssd/cassandra/data/zoosk/friends/zoosk-friends-hf-753782-Data.db')]
>  
> INFO [CompactionExecutor:108804] 2013-01-24 22:23:11,610 CompactionTask.java 
> (line 221) Compacted to 
> [/ssd/cassandra/data/zoosk/friends/zoosk-friends-hf-754996-Data.db,]. 
> 5,259,403 to 5,259,403 (~100% of original) bytes for 1,983 keys at 
> 4.268730MB/s. Time: 1,175ms. 
> INFO [CompactionExecutor:108805] 2013-01-24 22:23:11,617 CompactionTask.java 
> (line 109) Compacting 
> [SSTableReader(path='/ssd/cassandra/data/zoosk/friends/zoosk-friends-hf-754880-Data.db')]
>  
> INFO [CompactionExecutor:108805] 2013-01-24 22:23:12,828 CompactionTask.java 
> (line 221) Compacted to 
> [/ssd/cassandra/data/zoosk/friends/zoosk-friends-hf-754997-Data.db,]. 
> 5,272,746 to 5,272,746 (~100% of original) bytes for 1,941 keys at 
> 4.152339MB/s. Time: 1,211ms. 
> ERROR [CompactionExecutor:108806] 2013-01-24 22:23:13,048 
> AbstractCassandraDaemon.java (line 135) Exception in thread 
> Thread[CompactionExecutor:108806,1,main] 
> java.lang.StackOverflowError 
> at java.util.AbstractList$Itr.hasNext(Unknown Source) 
> at com.google.common.collect.Iterators$5.hasNext(Iterators.java:517) 
> at com.google.common.collect.Iterators$3.hasNext(Iterators.java:114) 
> at com.google.common.collect.Iterators$5.hasNext(Iterators.java:517) 
> at com.google.common.collect.Iterators$3.hasNext(Iterators.java:114) 
> at com.google.common.collect.Iterators$5.hasNext(Iterators.java:517) 
> at com.google.common.collect.Iterators$3.hasNext(Iterators.java:114) 
> at com.google.common.collect.Iterators$5.hasNext(Iterators.java:517) 
> at com.google.common.collect.Iterators$3.hasNext(Iterators.java:114) 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "aaron morton" < aa...@thelastpickle.com > 
> To: user@cassandra.apache.org 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 2:40:45 PM 
> Subject: Re: Cassandra pending compaction tasks keeps increasing 
> 
> The histogram does not look right to me, too many SSTables for an LCS CF. 
> 
> 
> It's a symptom no a cause. If LCS is catching up though it should be more 
> like the distribution in the linked article. 
> 
> 
> Cheers 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----------------- 
> Aaron Morton 
> Freelance Cassandra Developer 
> New Zealand 
> 
> 
> @aaronmorton 
> http://www.thelastpickle.com 
> 
> 
> On 23/01/2013, at 10:57 AM, Jim Cistaro < jcist...@netflix.com > wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> What version are you using? Are you seeing any compaction related assertions 
> in the logs? 
> 
> 
> Might be https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-4411 
> 
> 
> We experienced this problem of the count only decreasing to a certain number 
> and then stopping. If you are idle, it should go to 0. I have not seen it 
> overestimate for zero, only for non-zero amounts. 
> 
> 
> As for timeouts etc, you will need to look at things like nodetool tpstats to 
> see if you have pending transactions queueing up. 
> 
> 
> Jc 
> 
> 
> From: Wei Zhu < wz1...@yahoo.com > 
> Reply-To: " user@cassandra.apache.org " < user@cassandra.apache.org >, Wei 
> Zhu <wz1...@yahoo.com > 
> Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 12:56 PM 
> To: " user@cassandra.apache.org " < user@cassandra.apache.org > 
> Subject: Re: Cassandra pending compaction tasks keeps increasing 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks Aaron and Jim for your reply. The data import is done. We have about 
> 135G on each node and it's about 28K SStables. For normal operation, we only 
> have about 90 writes per seconds, but when I ran nodetool compationstats, it 
> remains at 9 and hardly changes. I guess it's just an estimated number. 
> 
> 
> When I ran histogram, 
> 
> 
> 
> Offset SSTables Write Latency Read Latency Row Size Column Count 
> 1 2644 0 0 0 18660057 
> 2 8204 0 0 0 9824270 
> 3 11198 0 0 0 6968475 
> 4 4269 6 0 0 5510745 
> 5 517 29 0 0 4595205 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> You can see about half of the reads result in 3 SSTables. Majority of read 
> latency are under 5ms, only a dozen are over 10ms. We haven't fully turn on 
> reads yet, only 60 reads per second. We see about 20 read timeout during the 
> past 12 hours. Not a single warning from Cassandra Log. 
> 
> 
> Is it normal for Cassandra to timeout some requests? We set rpc timeout to be 
> 1s, it shouldn't time out any of them? 
> 
> 
> Thanks. 
> -Wei 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: aaron morton < aa...@thelastpickle.com > 
> To: user@cassandra.apache.org 
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 12:21 AM 
> Subject: Re: Cassandra pending compaction tasks keeps increasing 
> 
> 
> 
> The main guarantee LCS gives you is that most reads will only touch 1 
> rowhttp://www.datastax.com/dev/blog/when-to-use-leveled-compaction 
> 
> 
> If compaction is falling behind this may not hold. 
> 
> 
> nodetool cfhistograms tells you how many SSTables were read from for reads. 
> It's a recent histogram that resets each time you read from it. 
> 
> 
> Also, parallel levelled compaction in 1.2 
> http://www.datastax.com/dev/blog/performance-improvements-in-cassandra-1-2 
> 
> 
> Cheers 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----------------- 
> Aaron Morton 
> Freelance Cassandra Developer 
> New Zealand 
> 
> 
> @aaronmorton 
> http://www.thelastpickle.com 
> 
> 
> On 20/01/2013, at 7:49 AM, Jim Cistaro < jcist...@netflix.com > wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 1) In addition to iostat, dstat is a good tool to see wht kind of disck 
> throuput your are getting. That would be one thing to monitor. 
> 2) For LCS, we also see pending compactions skyrocket. During load, LCS will 
> create a lot of small sstables which will queue up for compaction. 
> 3) For us the biggest concern is not how high the pending count gets, but how 
> often it gets back down near zero. If your load is something you can do in 
> segments or pause, then you can see how fast the cluster recovers on the 
> compactions. 
> 4) One thing which we tune per cluster is the size of the files. Increasing 
> this from 5MB can sometimes improve things. But I forget if we have ever 
> changed this after starting data load. 
> 
> 
> Is your cluster receiving read traffic during this data migration? If so, I 
> would say that read latency is your best measure. If the high number of 
> SSTables waiting to compact is not hurting your reads, then you are probably 
> ok. Since you are on SSD, there is a good chance the compactions are not 
> hurting you. As for compactionthroughput, we set ours high for SSD. You 
> usually wont use it all because the compactions are usually single threaded. 
> Dstat will help you measure this. 
> 
> 
> I hope this helps, 
> jc 
> 
> 
> From: Wei Zhu < wz1...@yahoo.com > 
> Reply-To: " user@cassandra.apache.org " < user@cassandra.apache.org >, Wei 
> Zhu <wz1...@yahoo.com > 
> Date: Friday, January 18, 2013 12:10 PM 
> To: Cassandr usergroup < user@cassandra.apache.org > 
> Subject: Cassandra pending compaction tasks keeps increasing 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi, 
> When I run nodetool compactionstats 
> 
> 
> I see the number of pending tasks keep going up steadily. 
> 
> 
> I tried to increase the compactionthroughput, by using 
> 
> 
> nodetool setcompactionthroughput 
> 
> 
> I even tried the extreme to set it to 0 to disable the throttling. 
> 
> 
> I checked iostats and we have SSD for data, the disk util is less than 5% 
> which means it's not I/O bound, CPU is also less than 10% 
> 
> 
> We are using levelcompaction and in the process of migrating data. We have 
> 4500 writes per second and very few reads. We have about 70G data now and 
> will grow to 150G when the migration finishes. We only have one CF and right 
> now the number of SSTable is around 15000, write latency is still under 
> 0.1ms. 
> 
> 
> Anything needs to be concerned? Or anything I can do to reduce the number of 
> pending compaction? 
> 
> 
> Thanks. 
> -Wei 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Derek Williams 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Derek Williams

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