I only have limited scripting language experience (Python, Perl, Ruby
and Groovy) but normally a variable not being set would show up at
runtime, rather than compile time? Discuss.
;-)
Hans Schwaebli wrote:
A side effect of the make files is its platform dependence. And there had been
other problems I read, like a space character causing a bug and you needed lot
of time to find these bugs. Concerning bugs I can tell my own story with the
way Ant files are written. If a variable is not set, a compiler of a scripting
language would complain at compile time, wheareas with Ant's XML files these
bugs only show up at runtime. Just one example. I surely have hundreds of
reasons inventing a alternative to Ant like the inventor of Ant started
developing it after so many bugs because of a missing space or something like
this.
"Scot P. Floess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Peter:
That's a good point regarding Makefiles (I was simply thinking of scripting)... There
was a time "loved" writing Makefiles...uhm...not anymore ;)
Regardless...I still think XML as a markup is more than tolerable...I don't see
the issues with it at all. I mean, I like Java but I don't think I'd want to
write scripts using it... Just my personal preference...but still... I
suppose one could have made the same argument against Makefiles and SH (or
BASH)...
Scot
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Reilly
Sent: Feb 8, 2007 1:47 PM
To: Ant Users List
Subject: Re: Python implementation for Ant
On 2/8/07, Matt Benson wrote:
Here's a link to Terence Parr's "Humans should not
have to grok XML" article:
http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-sbxml.html
In it he explains the distinction between XML as a
data representation format, the use for which it was
AFAIK intended,
This is one viewpoint.
HTML is from the same source and it is for
human consumption.
XML is actually easier that HTML as it is less forgiving
with regard to mistakes.
vs. as an explicit interface for human
consumption. Regardless of your own position, I found
it an interesting read. Terence is an example of a
noted personality in the OSS community who develops in
Java but has never touched Ant precisely _because_ of
its XML interface.
Mmm,
I spend ~15 years fighting cryptic make files - sometimes
I wrote perl scripts to help - it was not a pleasant experience.
I never really understood the M4 / configure / autoconf stuff.
I found ant build files to be simple to understand and to
use for java projects (once one realized that the commands/tasks
are directory based).
Peter
So such developers definitely
exist, thought it's quite possible he is the only one
whose aversion to human-targeted XML is a strong
enough deterrent in and of itself. ;)
-Matt
--- "Scot P. Floess" wrote:
I'd have to agree with Rob... Have you ever looked
at Voice XML? It took is scripting but using XML as
the "markup" language....
What is your aversion to XML with regards to it as a
scripting language? I personally like it...
-----Original Message-----
From: "Anderson, Rob (Global Trade)"
Sent: Feb 8, 2007 12:58 PM
To: Ant Users List
Subject: RE: Python implementation for Ant
-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Schwaebli
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:01 AM
To: Ant Users List
Subject: Python implementation for Ant
What do you think about the XML format used for
writing Ant
scripts? I don't like it.
What about writing Ant scripts in a script
language like
Python or Jython instead of writing them in XML?
I think it
would be much more productive.
There seems to be a private project for this,
but it is not
official, not from Apache.
I have no issues with XML. It seems to work well
for me. It is easy to
read, understand, and maintain build files in XML
format. I have no
desire to change the way I am currently writing
build files.
-Rob Anderson
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