Teaching LiveCode without the special nature of the text property is an 
interesting concept.  That might have some advantages.  However, almost all 
examples people will find do use the special nature of the text property.  

Also, it throws away the ability to use chunks in the text property.  And 
before and after.

To me ‘put x into field y’ is not anything to unlearn.

So why not ‘put “checked” into button y’?

Dar


On May 3, 2014, at 1:46 PM, Richmond <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 03/05/14 22:36, Dar Scott wrote:
>> I don’t agree.
>> 
>> There is nothing wrong with using this:
>> 
>>    put x into field y
>> 
>> We can’t say that real programmers use this:
>> 
>>    set the text of y to x
> 
> Please, whatever else we may "fight" about, do not mention 'real 
> programmers': it makes me think
> of phrases such as 'real men' (something that I have always regarded as 
> largely semantically empty).
> 
> My objection is that having taught them one way to do something you might 
> want, later on, to teach them the "standard" way of doing things, at which 
> point they have to unlearn learnt habits, and that
> tales time.
> 
>> 
>> I see nothing wrong with teaching the first, before showing it is the same 
>> as the latter.
>> 
>> Indeed, the hello world is this:
>> 
>>    put “Hello World!” into field “Greeting”
> 
> That "Hello World!" thing has always struck me as demeaning to the student; I 
> tend to find
> that, with Primary kids at least, the thing that gets their digestive juices 
> going is to get them to
> type their names into a field, hit a button and get "Hello, Fred" (assuming 
> their name is 'Fred'):
> tickles their egos far more than "Hello World!"
> 
>> 
>> Though I have never had a kid use “Hello World!” even the first time.  OK, 
>> maybe a big sister.
>> 
>> Dar
>> 
> 
> Richmond.
> 
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