Well do you have any good suggestions for how to fix the issues you've 
encountered? Or any good design suggestions to make it a bit less of a mess? 
What about with regard to the topic of this thread, any interesting ideas for 
fitting into the sound menu more scalably?

Alex

On Jan 9, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Jonathan Meek <shrouded.cl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> A bit late, but I would like to add my own thoughts to this: I absolutely 
> agree with Mr. Bicha about web-apps in 12.10 (having finally downloaded it to 
> test the new toolkit). They are a bit of a mess. And I, as a seasoned user, 
> find their launcher behavior almost indecipherable given the context. Am I 
> just visiting a fancy browser window or am I actually using something that is 
> supposed to be its own thing? And getting them to install was a hassle and no 
> feedback for when it didn't work... Tried to install GMail three times before 
> it worked with no feedback as to why it failed the previous times. And plus 
> one to the completely chromeless argument.
> 
> Pandora just suddenly showed in my sound menu unexpectedly as well. I guess 
> I'm mostly trying to say what Jeremy said: a good start but far from perfect.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Jeremy Bicha <jbi...@ubuntu.com> wrote:
> On 13 December 2012 09:57, Alex Launi <alex.la...@canonical.com> wrote:
> > Like any software, webapps will always be incomplete. The implementation
> > of the integration was not poor (at least I don't like to think so), but
> > there were features that got de-scoped for 12.10. Chromeless browsing in
> > Firefox was one item. There is a chromeless mode for Chromium, it exists
> > in 12.10. Chromeless mode does not, however, prevent you from having
> > multiple tabs. You could have 10 instances of Facebook, or YouTube in
> > one of these chromeless browser windows. Chromeless mode is accessed
> > when you have a launcher icon and launch a new instance of a webapp from
> > it. Integration should always work from the browser though, how else
> > would you find that a webapp exists?
> 
> I think that Firefox or Chromium should prompt for installing webapps
> like it does.
> 
> Without chromeless mode, I (as a user) see webapps as being just fancy
> bookmarks that may also have notification or indicator support. I
> think chromeless mode *should* prevent you from opening multiple tabs
> because a standalone webapp is not a full-featured web browser (that's
> just the backend, an implementation detail). Links to external domains
> (not white-listed in the particular webapp config) should open in your
> regular web browser because a webapp should act like a native app as
> much as possible.
> 
> For me, proper chromeless mode is an essential part of webapps so
> that's why I was disappointed with 12.10's implementation (I don't
> mean to hurt the feelings of those who spent months working on the
> feature; I expected that that feature would instead land in 13.04).
> 
> Jeremy
> 
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