On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 17:08, Jo-Erlend Schinstad <joerlend.schins...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 26. feb. 2012 14:55, Adrian Maier wrote: >> >> Yes , that's the point . With a classic apps menu it's super-easy to see >> the big picture : see what applications are available . > > > Again, this is assuming that you only have access to an extremely small > number of applications. But that hardly allies to anyone anymore. So you you > either have to create deep menu structures, or you would have to scroll for > a long time for see. > > As an overview, this is proven to be a bad idea.
Says who ? > I think one of the first > operating system to use that idea, was Windows 95. When that operating > system was released, it was difficult to even connect to the internet. The > web still used those kinds of menus. As the web grew larger, it became > apparent that using hierarchical menus to navigate it, simply wouldn't work. The web has nothing to do with the applications installed on a computer. >> One more scenario : "I vaguely remember that 5 months ago i've >> installed 25 audio apps in order to test them . Then I've chosen 4 >> for everyday use. Let's do some cleanup" . > > How do you perform that cleanup? Using the Ubuntu Software Center, of > course. It provides you with a list of applications, shows you when it was > installed and makes it easy to remove them. It could easily enable you to > browse by install time, or by use frequency. Isn't it better to find > automated solutions for this, rather than force the user to do manual labor? >> With a classic apps menu the user sees the unused apps every time when >> he starts an audio app. He is aware that there are some unused >> programs that waste space . > > > You make that sound like a good thing. But that also means the computer > wastes his time and focus every single time he wants to launch an > application. Why would anyone want to browse through a list of things they > _don't_ want to do every time they want to do something? >> With a search approach , the user will soon forget about uninstalling >> the unused apps . > > > So why not just make that configurable? For instance, every time you install > upgrades or new software, it can ask it you want to remove applications you > haven't used in x amount of time. However, most applications today doesn't > occupy disk space at all, and those that do, requires so extremely small > amounts of data that the disk space isn't really worth noticing anyway. > Again, I would much rather have the system tell me these things, rather than > having to remember what I don't do and then manually remove those > possibilities. I personally wouldn't request such features . Seems overkill . > In your mail, I didn't see one single argument why using static > directory/folder infrastructure is better than using a dynamic system that > continually optimizes for the things you do most frequently. And you haven't provided any single argument why a static apps menu is evil . And you haven't provided any single argument why a static apps menu could not co-exist with Unity's launcher, dash and lenses . Feel free to like it or not , but there are people who miss the functionality and "the feel" of the classic apps menu . There are even guys who implemented an indicator for bringing it into Unity . In fact : you have even pointed at the possibility to start the gnome panel inside Unity . This implies that you actually can accept the idea that some users (for whatever reasons!) may want to have a classic apps menu in _addition_ to what does Unity offer . It's difficult to understand your attitude now . > I don't > understand why anyone would want to optimize for things they hardly ever do. > Your email did point out some very strong reasons why the new system is far > better, however. Jo , you have repeatedly compared the classic apps menu against some future Unity that would _supposedly_ contain some improvements that are not currently implemented. On the other hand I am judging only the _current_ Unity implementation . And right now I find that it is irritating to browse the applications . As I said , that I am taking into account the current look and behaviour . This does not include those obscure dconf setttings , and more importantly does _not_ include any improvement idea that is not available _today_ . You have your own string opinion that the navigation provided by a classic apps menu is not useful . You like to argue and you are rejecting any kind argument. There is no point in discussing with you anymore . Please feel free to have the final word . -- Adrian -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~unity-design Post to : unity-design@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~unity-design More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
