thanks guys -- I have all the time in the world, it's just that I am a 
bit luckless (and clueless). This DVD is the one that LinuxCertified 
made specifically as an 'image' of their own particular configuration 
with all its applications, but they also supplied a CD with just the 
ubuntu minus the apps. I have emailed them anyway, because it won't take 
long to find out ; they usually reply by evening, our time, which is 
mid-morning california time.

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