On Thu, 2014-07-17 at 13:35 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: > Hi Oliver, Hi Alan thanks for your detailed reply I think its shows that Canonical actually cares about the community and welcomes input.
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 6:45 PM, Oliver Propst <oliver.pro...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > As of now the the newest device that is officially supported is still > > the soon two years old Nexus 4, is not about time to consider support a > > newer device? > > > > We are already working on new devices, those that will ship from BQ > and Meizu later in the year. It makes little sense for us to divert > attention to do the hardware bring-up of another 3rd party device > (with little or no help from the manufacturer / SoC vendor) when we > have these two devices being worked on, closely with the > manufacturers. > > They will be available for people to buy soon, no doubt. Yeah that sounds great, I hope the bootloader will be open (I'm afraid it will be not, this have also been an issue with some FirefoxOS deceives released on the market). > > I find the wiki [1] very scare of details on how to get involved, it > > seems not to be any real effort from Canonical to create a community > > around Ubuntu Phone in the same way with the Ubuntu operating system or > > maybe more relevant for Ubuntu touch, FirefoxOS. > > > > I find this feedback very interesting. Building a community is > something we're constantly working on, if we're missing something, I'm > keen to hear about it. I think its much about communication, personally I feel the wiki more less list some list some facts and is not really encourages community participation. Some things I think would be great to have are a FAQ about Ubuntu PhoneOS and presentation material the community can use, Mozilla provide both [1] [2]. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox_OS/Firefox_OS_FAQ https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReMo/Tools_and_Resources/Slide_decks > We have frequent hack days, conduct our discussions in open irc > channels and mailing lists such as this one, and the code is all > available on launchpad. I spend personally spend a significant portion > of my day working with community people on Ubuntu, and I know many > others do too. Thats great. I think also important to document releases so its easy for developers to get info about the progress of the platform. > > Mozilla for example have a program where community members and > > developers can get testing devices[2] [3], is there any plans for for > > similar initiative around Ubuntu Phones? > > We have already shipped a bunch of Nexus 4's running Ubuntu to various > developers all around the world who we selected and are hacking on the > platform and apps. We also have a community fund where people who are > keen on helping, but have no device can apply for funding for one, and > we've sent devices to some people who have applied. Ok. > > When Mozilla launch FirefoxOS > > in new markets they tend to work very closely with the local community > > [4], I don’t get the impression that Canonical are doing any real > > efforts in area, (not yet at least). > > > > Well, there's a significant difference here. We haven't shipped any > retail devices yet and the platform isn't finished. You're talking > about Mozilla with a finished device from a manufacturer, setting > aside budget to buy some of those and send them to people. We can't do > that yet. Ok understand, with that said I guess its good to have in mind that to launch a mobile platform requires significant investments (I'm sure you are all aware of that), > While *we* are all developing on Nexus devices (which incidentally you > can't buy in retail anymore) the devices we'd expect developers and > users to actually use are those that will ship from BQ and Meizu later > this year, and devices from other manufacturers next year and beyond. > We're immensely proud that some early pioneering developers have > actually gone out of their way to flash the daily images on devices, > or port to new devices, but that doesn't work for everyone. Most > developers want a reliable inexpensive device they can buy with the > software pre-installed, ready to hack on. We're not there yet, but > will be _very_ soon. I guess the bootloader can be a concern for developers. Mozilla partnered with a manufacture to create a reference devices [3] specifically that would target the needs of developer (such as open bootloader and ensure that Mozilla could redistribute binaries). 3https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox_OS/Developer_phone_guide/Flame > Cheers, -- -mvh Oliver Propst -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
