On jueves 17 de julio de 2014 13h'12:51 ART, Robert Schroll wrote:
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Nathan Haines <nhai...@ubuntu.com> wrote:
On 07/17/2014 05:02 AM, Oliver Propst wrote:
Sure, but I think if they really want expand and create the a
similar atmosphere
around it as the desktop operating system they should try to work closer
with the the community.
They can't work more closely with the community, really.
Consider this bug:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1276808. Yes,
it's publicly available and open for comments from everyone, but
the description is simply a link to a private canonical.com
document. That's not truly open for community participation.
That is a mistake no matter how you put it; either the bug should of been
private or the document open. Reasons for such are varied.
Now, I'm sure this is just a mistake -- whoever posted that to
the bug probably did so with the intention that everyone could
view it. And since we all live logged into Google, it never
occurs to people who have access that other people don't.
However, it does imply that Canonical is making development
decisions in private Google documents. So don't tell me "they
can't work more closely with the community"!
Decissions are always made in private before communicating; it's just more
obvious with documents, but a private conversation over the bar, phone,
random hall talk is no more different than this; even a ping to friend
asking if what you are about to propose makes at least some minimal sense,
in an extreme, even thinking about something is a private thing. What is
important is the plan to eventually communicate about it.
That said, I'm not convinced that this is actually a problem.
One of the things I like best about Ubuntu is that it is
developed with strong direction and vision, and doesn't merely
follow the majority view of the community. It may well be that
that spec had to be developed in private, since it was part of
this directed vision. That's fine!
I believe so too, it's all too political and doesn't just hit tech, it's a
major thing about life in general; you surely need consensus, but not
majority. People wouldn't be allowed to explore ideas if everything was up
to the scrutinity of popular vote.
So my complaint isn't that Ubuntu isn't completely
community-driven, it's that we keep saying it is. Let's not.
Then when we get emails like Oliver's, treat it as a request to
alter the balance.
I still don't understand the definition of community driven. My country is
a community and I vote for someone to represent, but they rarely do what
"I" want, doesn't stop it from being community driven.
And those are my random thoughts :-)
Cheers
Sergio.
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