On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Michal Suchanek <hramr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 15 October 2013 18:13, Roberto Alsina <roberto.als...@canonical.com> > wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Michal Suchanek <hramr...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> On 15 October 2013 17:42, Martin Albisetti <argent...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Rasmus Eneman <ras...@eneman.eu> > >> > wrote: > >> >> What Michal Suchanek tries to say is that he wants a way to install > >> >> click > >> >> apps from the store while not having internet access on the phone > (ie. > >> >> download it on a computer with internet access). > >> >> > >> >> A solution to this that I see is to have it possible to install phone > >> >> apps > >> >> to the phone from the software centre on the computer. > >> >> What I mean is: > >> >> Connect the phone to the computer (by usb for example) > >> >> Launch Ubuntu Software Center > >> >> Choose phone in some way (designers needed) > >> >> Now the software centre shows phone apps instead of desktop apps. > >> >> Allow the user to install any app (the apps get installed on the > phone, > >> >> not > >> >> the computer) > >> >> > >> >> Could be a great feature actually. > >> > > >> > Right. So while that is a use case, it certainly isn't top use case at > >> > all for the majority of the users. It would be foolish for us to > >> > invest time in something like that at this point. > >> > >> Yes, you invest time into making this use case difficult and then say > >> that's not top use case so will not invest into making it easy. > >> > >> Wouldn't it be easier to just not invest into making the use case > >> difficult in the first place? > >> > >> Noo, then Canonical could not have control over users with One Store > >> To Rule Them All. > >> > > > > I see we are back to sarcasm. > > > >> > >> Oh well. I will see how this pans out but so far it's looking like you > >> will need an actual Touch device or an emulation somehow attached to > >> the net so you can download the click apps directly to the Touch > >> device or fake it somehow - just as sucky as Google store. > >> > > > > Well, you are wrong. You don't need a touch device, you don't need any > > emulation. You do need to be connected to the Internet to download the > app. > > You do need a U1 account to download it from the store. But you can > > write a script to download it without a device. It's probably 30 lines of > > code. > > > >> > >> > That said, because authentication is simple (oauth signed request, the > >> > source code to do so is open source), you can implement it yourself. > >> > Write a script that searches the store, signs the URL, downloads it do > >> > the desktop and sends it to the phone. This is what's different from > >> > Android (and certainly iOS), there's no secret to how to authenticate > >> > to the store, it's fully open source. > >> > All our infrastructure on the server and on the phone support this, > >> > anyone's welcome to write such a script to fit their use case. > >> > >> But then for all practical purposes you have connected the phone to > >> the net - there is stuff like the USB Ethernet gadget or adb or .. > >> > > > > No. You need to have had a general computing device capable of running > > software in > > it, connected to some sort of internet access system at some point in the > > past in order > > to download a file. > > Yes, just as you need a general computing device capable of running > software in to download Google applications. > > It's a oauth-signed download from a public API, and there's nothing device-specific about it. Find me that in Google Play and I will accept it's the same thing. > > Then you have a click file. Which you can install. From the phone's SD > card. > > In the phone. Without any 3rd party apps. Using the terminal. That comes > > with the phone. > > But you *DO NEED 3RD PARTY APPS ON THE DEVICE WITH WHICH YOU DOWNLOAD > THE CLICK FILE*. A plain web browser clearly does not suffice. > I don't even know what 3rd party would mean in this context. You can write it yourself. Would that make it 1st party? If I took my lunch hour and wrote the script for you (I would rather have lunch, really), would that be 2nd party? > > >> But do you have usually such stuff set up on your PC or a PC in an > >> internet cafe or Android device or dumb phone? No. > >> Do those devices manage to download to plain USB thumb drive? Yes. > >> Even my dumb phone can probably do that. > >> > >> But installing click apps from plain storage would just be too simple > >> and useful, right? > >> > > > > It's also possible today. You have not really tried, have you? > > I did not even get an app on storage. TBH I do not have a Touch > device. I was considering to try and run Ubuntu on my old tablet but > seeing where the development is directed to I am no longer much > interested. > > Your choice. Based in a very flawed understanding, I think. Thanks for making it clear that Ubuntu Touch is an alternative to > Android and iOS but not an *open* alternative. > > So, the difference between "open" and "closed" is one link on a website. Awesome.
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