On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Michal Suchanek <hramr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 15 October 2013 17:42, Martin Albisetti <argent...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Rasmus Eneman <ras...@eneman.eu> > wrote: > >> What Michal Suchanek tries to say is that he wants a way to install > click > >> apps from the store while not having internet access on the phone (ie. > >> download it on a computer with internet access). > >> > >> A solution to this that I see is to have it possible to install phone > apps > >> to the phone from the software centre on the computer. > >> What I mean is: > >> Connect the phone to the computer (by usb for example) > >> Launch Ubuntu Software Center > >> Choose phone in some way (designers needed) > >> Now the software centre shows phone apps instead of desktop apps. > >> Allow the user to install any app (the apps get installed on the phone, > not > >> the computer) > >> > >> Could be a great feature actually. > > > > Right. So while that is a use case, it certainly isn't top use case at > > all for the majority of the users. It would be foolish for us to > > invest time in something like that at this point. > > Yes, you invest time into making this use case difficult and then say > that's not top use case so will not invest into making it easy. > > Wouldn't it be easier to just not invest into making the use case > difficult in the first place? > > Noo, then Canonical could not have control over users with One Store > To Rule Them All. > > I see we are back to sarcasm. > Oh well. I will see how this pans out but so far it's looking like you > will need an actual Touch device or an emulation somehow attached to > the net so you can download the click apps directly to the Touch > device or fake it somehow - just as sucky as Google store. > > Well, you are wrong. You don't need a touch device, you don't need any emulation. You do need to be connected to the Internet to download the app. You do need a U1 account to download it from the store. But you can write a script to download it without a device. It's probably 30 lines of code. > > That said, because authentication is simple (oauth signed request, the > > source code to do so is open source), you can implement it yourself. > > Write a script that searches the store, signs the URL, downloads it do > > the desktop and sends it to the phone. This is what's different from > > Android (and certainly iOS), there's no secret to how to authenticate > > to the store, it's fully open source. > > All our infrastructure on the server and on the phone support this, > > anyone's welcome to write such a script to fit their use case. > > But then for all practical purposes you have connected the phone to > the net - there is stuff like the USB Ethernet gadget or adb or .. > > No. You need to have had a general computing device capable of running software in it, connected to some sort of internet access system at some point in the past in order to download a file. Then you have a click file. Which you can install. From the phone's SD card. In the phone. Without any 3rd party apps. Using the terminal. That comes with the phone. > But do you have usually such stuff set up on your PC or a PC in an > internet cafe or Android device or dumb phone? No. > Do those devices manage to download to plain USB thumb drive? Yes. > Even my dumb phone can probably do that. > > But installing click apps from plain storage would just be too simple > and useful, right? > > It's also possible today. You have not really tried, have you?
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