On 15 October 2013 18:13, Roberto Alsina <roberto.als...@canonical.com> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Michal Suchanek <hramr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On 15 October 2013 17:42, Martin Albisetti <argent...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Rasmus Eneman <ras...@eneman.eu> >> > wrote: >> >> What Michal Suchanek tries to say is that he wants a way to install >> >> click >> >> apps from the store while not having internet access on the phone (ie. >> >> download it on a computer with internet access). >> >> >> >> A solution to this that I see is to have it possible to install phone >> >> apps >> >> to the phone from the software centre on the computer. >> >> What I mean is: >> >> Connect the phone to the computer (by usb for example) >> >> Launch Ubuntu Software Center >> >> Choose phone in some way (designers needed) >> >> Now the software centre shows phone apps instead of desktop apps. >> >> Allow the user to install any app (the apps get installed on the phone, >> >> not >> >> the computer) >> >> >> >> Could be a great feature actually. >> > >> > Right. So while that is a use case, it certainly isn't top use case at >> > all for the majority of the users. It would be foolish for us to >> > invest time in something like that at this point. >> >> Yes, you invest time into making this use case difficult and then say >> that's not top use case so will not invest into making it easy. >> >> Wouldn't it be easier to just not invest into making the use case >> difficult in the first place? >> >> Noo, then Canonical could not have control over users with One Store >> To Rule Them All. >> > > I see we are back to sarcasm. > >> >> Oh well. I will see how this pans out but so far it's looking like you >> will need an actual Touch device or an emulation somehow attached to >> the net so you can download the click apps directly to the Touch >> device or fake it somehow - just as sucky as Google store. >> > > Well, you are wrong. You don't need a touch device, you don't need any > emulation. You do need to be connected to the Internet to download the app. > You do need a U1 account to download it from the store. But you can > write a script to download it without a device. It's probably 30 lines of > code. > >> >> > That said, because authentication is simple (oauth signed request, the >> > source code to do so is open source), you can implement it yourself. >> > Write a script that searches the store, signs the URL, downloads it do >> > the desktop and sends it to the phone. This is what's different from >> > Android (and certainly iOS), there's no secret to how to authenticate >> > to the store, it's fully open source. >> > All our infrastructure on the server and on the phone support this, >> > anyone's welcome to write such a script to fit their use case. >> >> But then for all practical purposes you have connected the phone to >> the net - there is stuff like the USB Ethernet gadget or adb or .. >> > > No. You need to have had a general computing device capable of running > software in > it, connected to some sort of internet access system at some point in the > past in order > to download a file.
Yes, just as you need a general computing device capable of running software in to download Google applications. > Then you have a click file. Which you can install. From the phone's SD card. > In the phone. Without any 3rd party apps. Using the terminal. That comes > with the phone. But you *DO NEED 3RD PARTY APPS ON THE DEVICE WITH WHICH YOU DOWNLOAD THE CLICK FILE*. A plain web browser clearly does not suffice. > >> >> But do you have usually such stuff set up on your PC or a PC in an >> internet cafe or Android device or dumb phone? No. >> Do those devices manage to download to plain USB thumb drive? Yes. >> Even my dumb phone can probably do that. >> >> But installing click apps from plain storage would just be too simple >> and useful, right? >> > > It's also possible today. You have not really tried, have you? I did not even get an app on storage. TBH I do not have a Touch device. I was considering to try and run Ubuntu on my old tablet but seeing where the development is directed to I am no longer much interested. Thanks for making it clear that Ubuntu Touch is an alternative to Android and iOS but not an *open* alternative. Michal -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
