Do you think the Linux/Ubuntu community would be willing to change the way system logons work if it meant bug #1 could be completed? -Ryan
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Christopher Chan < christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk> wrote: > Ryan Dwyer wrote: > >> I've never used remote installation services or SCCM. I'll change the spec >> so it doesn't deny their existence. >> > > That will definitely give this credibility. > > >> If you look at the mockup pictures I made email is the list and so is file >> sharing. A centralised account database is so obvious that I didn't mention >> it in the spec. It does mention it in the Name and Role mockup. >> > > But that part will be the one that is fraught with challenges. For example, > an existing 'standalone' machine cannot just 'join' a 'domain'. You have to > reconcile the standalone machine's system accounts with those in the > 'domain'. It might be so obvious but you have not addressed the challenge > posed. > > >> Your last line has got me curious. Why can't this be applied to Linux/UNIX >> systems? >> > > Eg: as above, there is no such thing as 'local' accounts and 'domain' > accounts with Linux/UNIX systems. > > >> -Ryan >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:29 AM, Chan Chung Hang Christopher < >> christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk <mailto:christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk>> >> wrote: >> >> Shentino wrote: >> >> My first impression is that it's something to look into. >> >> >> Disk images? Give me a break. Disk images (a feature that Windows >> Server does not have) will make this the laughing stock of the IT >> world. There is a reason by Windows Server offers automatic remote >> installation of workstations and not creation of disk images. It >> is completely impractical and impossible if you include all the >> various software that may need installing on the workstation. Even >> I do not ghost the hundreds of Windows workstations I have to >> manage here in the school whether by CD or over the network. >> Automatic *installation* over the network complete with hostname >> assignment on installation is what you want. Tools for this are >> already in place. How about 'install image' that can be put on a >> CD or a flash drive or loaded over the network and performs the >> installation by prepping the box and then pulling the packages >> over the network since you are targeting businesses. >> >> I love the part about auditing and centralized management of >> software being features that Windows does not have. Ever heard of >> System Management Server? Wait, that thing is ancient. Ever heard >> of System Configuration Center Manager? Auditing, software >> management, patch management, all there. Even without buying that, >> you can already push software packages via group policy. >> >> Man, check out the competition before you got listing supposedly >> missing features. What is with the love of NT-style domains or >> terminology? >> >> Oh, where is the part about integrating services like email (I >> think this is rather crucial to a business) and file/print? OH, >> please do not forget a centralized user information database. >> Somehow, the part about 'joining a workstation' sends shivers down >> my spine on how you think this will be accomplished. >> >> I'm sure that us open source monkeys can improve on Microsoft >> in this area >> :) >> >> >> Yeah. By doing things the 'Linux' way and not copying concepts >> that even Microsoft has moved on from and cannot be applied to >> Linux/UNIX operationg systems. >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:24 AM, Ryan Dwyer >> <ryandwy...@gmail.com <mailto:ryandwy...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> I've made a specs page here: >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBusinessServer >> You can also see some mockup pictures I made here: >> Name and Role: >> http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/1210/namerole.png >> Computer Details: >> http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1740/computerz.png >> Workstation Images: >> http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6757/22666240.png >> Web Server: >> http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1795/webserver.png >> >> I'm unsure at this stage whether I'll submit it to >> Brainstorm or go >> straight to a Launchpad blueprint, but at least I've got a >> spec for people >> to look at. >> >> Any feedback or suggestions are appreciated. >> >> -Ryan >> >> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Chan Chung Hang >> Christopher < >> christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk >> <mailto:christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk>> wrote: >> >> >> Shentino wrote: >> >> I can't very well speak as a "heavy iron" type >> server administrator but >> >> as >> >> an "end user peon", so to speak, I have found that >> GUIs add convenience, >> >> and >> >> in many cases "point and click" is faster and more >> convenient than doing >> everything on a command line. Doubly so if due to >> a caffeine shortage >> >> I'm a >> >> bit of a sloppy typist. >> My two cents. >> >> >> You obviously have not tried to 'point and click' a >> few dozen iterations >> while installing and configuring a Windows computer. >> That is >> INCONVENIENT and takes AGES. Although it is not >> command line, I use >> keyboard shortcuts to speed up the process. Alt-N, >> Alt-A, Alt-I for >> installing dotnetfx for example. No way you can beat >> the keyboard. Even >> better if you can use command line switches to forego >> the entire process >> of "point and click". A command line version asking >> 'Y/N' is just as >> likely to be faster than any point and click too. >> >> >> This whole GUI for administration business is a >> complete sham imho and >> only serves the needs of paper MCSEs or whatever they >> call the latest >> version of certificates from Microsoft. These guys >> need to LEARN MORE >> whether they will continue administer Windows or move >> to Linux. >> >> >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list >> Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com >> <mailto:Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com> >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss >> >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list >> Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com >> <mailto:Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com> >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
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