Ryan Dwyer wrote: > I've never used remote installation services or SCCM. I'll change the > spec so it doesn't deny their existence.
That will definitely give this credibility. > > If you look at the mockup pictures I made email is the list and so is > file sharing. A centralised account database is so obvious that I > didn't mention it in the spec. It does mention it in the Name and Role > mockup. But that part will be the one that is fraught with challenges. For example, an existing 'standalone' machine cannot just 'join' a 'domain'. You have to reconcile the standalone machine's system accounts with those in the 'domain'. It might be so obvious but you have not addressed the challenge posed. > > Your last line has got me curious. Why can't this be applied to > Linux/UNIX systems? Eg: as above, there is no such thing as 'local' accounts and 'domain' accounts with Linux/UNIX systems. > > -Ryan > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:29 AM, Chan Chung Hang Christopher > <christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk > <mailto:christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk>> wrote: > > Shentino wrote: > > My first impression is that it's something to look into. > > > > Disk images? Give me a break. Disk images (a feature that Windows > Server does not have) will make this the laughing stock of the IT > world. There is a reason by Windows Server offers automatic remote > installation of workstations and not creation of disk images. It > is completely impractical and impossible if you include all the > various software that may need installing on the workstation. Even > I do not ghost the hundreds of Windows workstations I have to > manage here in the school whether by CD or over the network. > Automatic *installation* over the network complete with hostname > assignment on installation is what you want. Tools for this are > already in place. How about 'install image' that can be put on a > CD or a flash drive or loaded over the network and performs the > installation by prepping the box and then pulling the packages > over the network since you are targeting businesses. > > I love the part about auditing and centralized management of > software being features that Windows does not have. Ever heard of > System Management Server? Wait, that thing is ancient. Ever heard > of System Configuration Center Manager? Auditing, software > management, patch management, all there. Even without buying that, > you can already push software packages via group policy. > > Man, check out the competition before you got listing supposedly > missing features. What is with the love of NT-style domains or > terminology? > > Oh, where is the part about integrating services like email (I > think this is rather crucial to a business) and file/print? OH, > please do not forget a centralized user information database. > Somehow, the part about 'joining a workstation' sends shivers down > my spine on how you think this will be accomplished. > > I'm sure that us open source monkeys can improve on Microsoft > in this area > :) > > > > Yeah. By doing things the 'Linux' way and not copying concepts > that even Microsoft has moved on from and cannot be applied to > Linux/UNIX operationg systems. > > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:24 AM, Ryan Dwyer > <ryandwy...@gmail.com <mailto:ryandwy...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > I've made a specs page here: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBusinessServer > You can also see some mockup pictures I made here: > Name and Role: > http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/1210/namerole.png > Computer Details: > http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1740/computerz.png > Workstation Images: > http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6757/22666240.png > Web Server: > http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1795/webserver.png > > I'm unsure at this stage whether I'll submit it to > Brainstorm or go > straight to a Launchpad blueprint, but at least I've got a > spec for people > to look at. > > Any feedback or suggestions are appreciated. > > -Ryan > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Chan Chung Hang > Christopher < > christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk > <mailto:christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk>> wrote: > > > > Shentino wrote: > > > I can't very well speak as a "heavy iron" type > server administrator but > > > as > > > an "end user peon", so to speak, I have found that > GUIs add convenience, > > > and > > > in many cases "point and click" is faster and more > convenient than doing > everything on a command line. Doubly so if due to > a caffeine shortage > > > I'm a > > > bit of a sloppy typist. > My two cents. > > > > You obviously have not tried to 'point and click' a > few dozen iterations > while installing and configuring a Windows computer. > That is > INCONVENIENT and takes AGES. Although it is not > command line, I use > keyboard shortcuts to speed up the process. Alt-N, > Alt-A, Alt-I for > installing dotnetfx for example. No way you can beat > the keyboard. Even > better if you can use command line switches to forego > the entire process > of "point and click". A command line version asking > 'Y/N' is just as > likely to be faster than any point and click too. > > > This whole GUI for administration business is a > complete sham imho and > only serves the needs of paper MCSEs or whatever they > call the latest > version of certificates from Microsoft. 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