On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 5:08 AM, Stefano Babic <sba...@denx.de> wrote:
> Ben Gardiner wrote:
>> Thanks for sharing this patch -- I have been using the "-O 2048" (VID
>> header offset) option to prevent subpages here.
>
> Yes, this works too, at least with Linux.
(being picky / for archival purposes) In u-boot, specifying the VID
header offset as an argument to the ubi attach command -- i.e. 'ubi
part <mtd_partition> 2048' -- also works (on da850evm, at least).
> [...]
>> First let me say that I would be happy to have a fix for this merged
>> -- so I think the change is "good enough" since it makes UBI work
>> without specifying a VID header offset equal to the NAND page size.
>> What follows is more topical musings that any particular criticisms
>> that should be considered blockers of your patch.
>>
>> I'm wondering about the long-term path for davinci NAND and subpage writes...
>>
>> But the sentiment I've heard about adding an exception to
>> NAND_CHIPOPTIONS_MSK as above is that we are mixing features of the
>> NAND chip and features of the NAND controller (If you have a modern
>> SLC NAND then your chip probably supports subpage writes whereas it is
>> the controller that needs to be limited).
>
> That is true. With this patch I constrained the SLC NAND on my board to
> be considered as MLC, as a MLC NAND cannot be accessed in subpage mode.
>
> However, I set also a CONFIG_SYS_NAND_NO_SUBPAGE, and instead of
> dropping the option in the mask we could protect the code where the
> option is checked. In other words, we could change nand_base.c in this way:
>
> #ifndef CONFIG_SYS_NAND_NO_SUBPAGE
> if (!(chip->options & NAND_NO_SUBPAGE_WRITE) &&
> !(chip->cellinfo & NAND_CI_CELLTYPE_MSK)) {
> switch(chip->ecc.steps) {
> case 2:
> mtd->subpage_sft = 1;
> break;
> case 4:
> case 8:
> case 16:
> mtd->subpage_sft = 2;
> break;
> }
> }
> #endif
>
> Then it could be clearer that the restriction is due to the NAND
> controller, and not to the chip itself.
I agree -- it keeps the chip and controller options separated.
>> What's more is that the davinci nand controller could do subpage
>> writing if the writing operation were informed of the extents of the
>> subpage being written instead of being handed a buffer with 0xFF in
>> the non-target page areas. Which, I believe is Artem's primary
>> motivation for the introduction of nand_write_subpage() to the davinci
>> NAND controller driver [2].
>
> Well, of course, if the davinci NAND can handle subpages, we can remove
> the limitation. What do you think to add this patch in the way I suggest
> now (without touching NAND_CHIPOPTIONS_MSK, that makes the MTD
> inconsistent with Linux) until a subpage_write is added to davinci ?
Yes, I like the way your proposed changes disabled subpage
initialization instead of adding an exception to the chip options
mask. I'm still OK with merging a patch to disable subpage writes on
da850 -- as an interim solution. i.e. until a subpage_write is added
to the mtd subsystem, and davinci-nand has an override and u-boot gets
a similar change.
>> So if the nand_write_subpage family of functions was introduced to the
>> Linux kernel instead of adding another exception to
>> NAND_CHIPOPTIONS_MSK then we would have 3 ways to use UBI on davinci
>> NAND:
>> 1) no patch: VID offset <page size> required
>> 2) chip NAND_NO_SUBPAGE_WRITE patch
>> 3) subpage writes support with nand_write_subpage()
>>
>> systems with 2) or 3) could always use UBI as in 1) and a UBI volume
>> made with 2) would need to be attached as in 1) on systems with 2) or
>> 3) ; but a UBI volume made with 3) could not be used on systems with
>> 1) or 2) which means that we could not make use of the efficiency
>> benefits of nand_write_subpage() if/when it is available on systems
>> which need access to UBI from U-boot.
>
> I agree with your analyses. As personal feeling, solution one has the
> drawback that it cannot be used in u-boot, and it seems to me very easy
> to have a wrong UBI on the target. We can consider 2) as temporary
> solution, until 3) is available.
Thanks for confirming, Stefano.
I'm not intimately familiar with the ea20 so there could be additional
quirks in the way -- but I can say that option 1) works in u-boot on
the da850evm (+UI board). I use 'ubi part ubi_part 2048' -- ubi_part
is the mtdpart name of my ubi part :)
Best Regards,
Ben Gardiner
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