On 23.01.2011 22:22, Reinhard Meyer wrote:
> On 23.01.2011 21:59, Albert ARIBAUD wrote:
>> Le 23/01/2011 20:35, Wolfgang Denk a écrit :
>>
>>> At the moment I would suggest to change the existing interface like
>>> that:
>>>
>>> * Drop the set_timer() function.
>>>
>>> * Change get_timer() to take no argument, i. e.:
>>>
>>> unsigned long get_timer(void);
>>>
>>> get_timer() returns a monotonous upward counting time stamp with a
>>> resolution of milliseconds. After reaching ULONG_MAX the timer wraps
>>> around to 0.
>
> Exactly that wrap makes the situation so complicated, since the simple code
> u32 get_timer(void)
> {
> return (ticks * 1000ULL) / tickspersec;
> }
> won't do that wrap.
>
>>>
>>> The get_timer() implementation may be interrupt based and is only
>>> available after relocation.
>
> Currently it is used before relocation in some places, I think I have
> seen it in NAND drivers... That would have to be changed then.
>
>>>
>>> * Provide a fast, low-level, system dependent timer function
>>>
>>> unsigned long long get_ticks(void);
>>>
>>> get_ticks() returns a monotonous upward counting time stamp with a
>>> system-specific resolution. No assumptions should be made about the
>>> resolution. After reaching ULLONG_MAX the timer wraps around to 0.
>>>
>>> It is mandatory that get_ticks() is available before relocation.
>>>
>>> * Provide a set of utility functions:
>>>
>>> -> void wait_ticks(unsigned long ticks);
>>>
>>> Delay execution for "ticks" ticks.
>>>
>>> -> unsigned long usec2ticks(unsigned long usec);
>>>
>>> Convert microseconds into ticks; intended for SHORT delays only
>>> (maximum depending on system clock, usually below 1 second).
>>>
>>> -> void __udelay(unsigned long usec);
>>>
>>> Delay execution for "usec" microseconds; intended for SHORT delays
>>> only (maximum depending on system clock, usually below 1 second).
>>> If all architectures followed the above suggestion, we could move
>>> the PPC implementation to common code:
>>>
>>> void __udelay(unsigned long usec)
>>> {
>>> ulong ticks = usec2ticks(usec);
>>> wait_ticks(ticks);
>>> }
>>>
>>> __udelay() can reliably be used before relocation.
>>>
>>> -> void udelay(unsigned long usec)
>>>
>>> Similar to __udelay() with the additional functionality to trigger
>>> the watchdog timer for long delays.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> that will not be possible on most hardware without complicated code.
>>>> We have discussed that long ago...
>>>
>>> I am aware of this.
>>>
>>>> Well, you could try to understand:
>>>> tick=the "at hardware speed running" timer, if that's incrementing too
>>>> fast for
>>>> 32 bit "timeout" vars for reasonable timeouts (up to a minute?),
>>>
>>> See above. For short, high resolution timeouts you can use
>>> get_ticks() and friends. For long delays you can use get_timer().
>>>
>>> Note that "reasonable timeouts (up to a minute?)" are only very
>>> infrequently needed, and don't need the high resolution of
>>> get_ticks(), so these would naturally be implemented on the base of
>>> get_timer().
>>>
>>>
>>> We have been using this implementation for more than a decade on
>>> PowerPC. The only thing you need is a monotonous upward counting
>>> 64 bit "time base" counter where you can read the system ticks from.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Wolfgang Denk
>>
>> This proposal covers what I was thinking of (oubviously I had not looked
>> into PPC implementations) and the few differences with my proposal are not
>> worth fighting over, so overall I am fine with the above.
>>
>> Let us hear from others now, and if we reach an agreement, then we'll start
>> discussing implementation.
>>
>> Amicalement,
>
> This is already implemented functionally very closely (apart from factoring
> and the
> get_timer(void) change) to this in AT91, the only (academic) hitch is that it
> will
> burp a few billion years after each reset :)
>
> Check arch/arm/cpu/arm926ejs/at91/timer.c
look at u-boot-atmel.git, rework101229 branch, this reworked version already is
minus the
reset_timer() function that is not needed anymore
>
> What bothers me is the need for 64 bit mul/div in each loop iteration, for
> CPUs without
> hardware for that this might slow down data transfer loops of the style
>
> u32 start_time = get_timer();
> do {
> if ("data_ready")
> /* transfer a byte */
> if (get_timer() - start_time> timeout)
> /* fail and exit loop */
> } while (--"bytestodo"> 0);
>
> since get_timer() will be somewhat like:
>
> return (tick * 1000ULL) / tickspersec;
>
> As I stated before, tickspersec is a variable in, for example, AT91. So the
> expression cannot be optimized by the compiler.
>
> Reinhard
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