On 01 Apr 17:15, Sasa Ostrouska wrote: > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Cédric Krier <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 01 Apr 16:42, Sasa Ostrouska wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Cédric Krier <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > On 01 Apr 13:26, Sasa Ostrouska wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Cédric Krier <[email protected] > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 01 Apr 11:15, Sasa Ostrouska wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Cédric Krier < > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 01 Apr 00:52, Cédric Krier wrote: > > > > > > > > > It is not for direct taxes which are managed by the tax > > system in > > > > > > > > > account module. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, I should not have talked about "direct"/"indirect" > > taxes > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > it is not the right name. > > > > > > > > The difference here between customs duty and standard Tryton > > taxes > > > > is > > > > > > > > that custom duties are not on the invoice. Indeed who is > > paying the > > > > > > duty > > > > > > > > depend on the agreement between the supplier and the customer. > > This > > > > > > part > > > > > > > > is not covered by the blueprint but it will be a first step for > > > > such > > > > > > > > management. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing IMHO is that you have to think that not everywhere in > > the > > > > > > world > > > > > > > the customs duties > > > > > > > are treated the same way. As far as I know in most countries > > they go > > > > > > summed > > > > > > > to the product cost > > > > > > > when you import a product. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand what you mean. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean that not in every country the customs duty is treated as cost > > and > > > > > gets added to the product. > > > > > When you import a product the product cost in Brasil for exemple is > > > > > composed of the product vaalue, > > > > > transport charges and customs duty as a base for the other taxes > > > > > calculation. > > > > > > > > Of course the cost price of a product is linked to many extra costs. > > > > But which taxes are you talking about? > > > > > > > > > > The taxes I listed above PIS/COFINS, IPI, ICMS, ICMS-ST which are > > internal > > > taxes. > > > By internal I mean in the country. So this works like as follows: > > > > > > Product cost (composed by product bought in the international market + > > > freight + customs duty or Import Tax) > > > is the base of the PIS tax, then all those are base for COFINS , and then > > > IPI and then ICMS and so on. > > > > This sounds not logical at all. > > > In fact it is not much logical, to say it better its a theft. But its that > way.
No I'm not talking at all about the legitimate of the tax. I mean what you are saying make no sense. > > How does it work when a company buy a product from an other local > > company? How is PIS tax computed? > > > > You have to know that in Brasil import companies are treated like local > industry. I guess not because there is customs duties. > And also there > you have various types of accounting, where taxes in some cases are > computed only at the > end of the year and on the total amount of your turn arround. They ask for > the 5% of your > total invoiced items. This doesn't help at all the discussion, dropping cases without any clear example. > Ok PIS is computed on the base of 100 and it has a value of 1,65% usually. Don't understand at all. "the base of 100"? Do you mean it is a percentage? > Its a simple > like VAT, but in most cases of companies it is calculated already in the > price. So companies > just register their credit of what was paid. We have clearly here a vocabulary issue. We will never understand each others if you are not clear about the topic. If this tax is like VAT, it is ease to manage. The company selling products have to collect the tax (based on the sale price) to give it to the authorities. > Same is for COFINS which the > rate is different for > imported goods and for same article when selling it. It is not clear what you call imported goods but if you mean that companies buying from foreign supplier a goods (importation) will have to "auto-declare" the tax (with a different rate). So don't see any big issue here, it just a matter of tax rule from the supplier. > In import you pay > 8,60% but when > selling you calculate it only 7,60% . There is a simulator of tributation > on the goverment site I don't understand what you mean, when you say "In import you pay". Do you mean you have to declare the purchase of goods with this higher tax rate? If so, it means importing goods is more profitable than sale local goods. But I highly doubt it is that. So for me, your term "you pay" is very confusing. > > Also all the costs you define most of the time you don't know them when > > you receive the products so how do you do? > > > All extra costs , handling of container, B/L, and other kind of costs > related to the goods > clearing usually go divided and then added into the product base, so they > compose the > cost of your product. I know how cost price of a product is computed. But it is insane to use it for taxes. The cost price is a tool for company to manage their cost. It can not be the base of tax country system otherwise I will put all my expenses as general expenses and nothing goes into the goods so I have lower taxes. -- Cédric Krier - B2CK SPRL Email/Jabber: [email protected] Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Website: http://www.b2ck.com/
