I can say that i get all emails in my main inbox :) Friet Pan <friet...@ymail.com> skrev: (25 juli 2016 16:03:10 CEST) >Yes i also have a riseup account that i use on other mailing lists now, >but i signed up here with the yahoo account for this reason, to see how >serious it is, and to raise some awareness if needed > > >I wonder how many people on the TOR mailing list receive my post in the >spam box. or a percentage > >I try to post all messages o this subject without going trough tor. >From Yahoo, with an account that sometimes uses TOR. > >And from the looks of it many people on this list get my original post >in the spambox. and maybe this post as well. > > >I'm pissed, i try to stay focussed and to stay to the point. that not >easy... i can snap before i know it. > >But i try my best to avoid a F*CH_SH*T_STACK on this list. >https://vimeo.com/13897452oops slip o't'tongue > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Flipchan <flipc...@riseup.net> >To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org >Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:44 PM >Subject: Re: [tor-talk] webmail send while using TOR is tagged as >spamends up in spam > >Have u tried switching email provider? I had alot of problem with gmail >but i switched > >Friet Pan <friet...@ymail.com> skrev: (25 juli 2016 14:37:00 CEST) >> >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "m...@beroal.in.ua" <m...@beroal.in.ua> >>To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org >>Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 11:42 AM >>Subject: Re: [tor-talk] webmail send while using TOR is tagged as >>spamends up in spam >> >>Hello. >> >>On 19.07.16 08:13, Friet Pan wrote: >>> i use yahoo to mail with mailinglists but i use TOR to connect to >>yahoo. >>> >>> tuns out that all my posts now end up in everyones spam folders. >>> >>> Is this because the tor exitnodes are used by spammers? >>> >>> or is every mail that was send from a TOR user falsely marked as >>spam? >>> >>> also the subscription confirmation email i received from this list >>ended up in yahoo's spam. >>I see that roughly 10% of messages from tor-talk@lists.torproject.org >>from different people go into Gmail's spam folder. If you send a >>message >>via Yahoo's webmail, the message is sent from Yahoo's server, not from > >>Tor. So it's not likely that using Tor is relevant in your case. >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Yahoo detects that i come from a tor exit node (known tor exit node, >or >>known exit node that once was used to send spam perhaps??) >> >> >>Anyway Yahoo then rates me as 'unauthenticated user' and adds a >>metatag? ot someting that google recognizes as 'unauthenticated' >>whatever that means... >> >>And then in googles terms my mail is 'spam' in googles eyes. >> >>That's WRONG. Since i send a normal mail to a normal mailing list. >> >>Now i cannot sue Google.. But Torproject is harmed by google, and >>yahoo, AOL, and the rest of the cartel. And all TOR users are >affected. >> the cartel damages our privacy. >> >>If the torproject cab sue the crap out of them and then use the money >>that comes out of that to improve TOR and our privacy. Then PLEASE >DO!! >> >> >> >> >> >>> So now i also wonder how many people on this list are not receiving >>THIS message. >>This message has not gone into the spam folder. >> >> >> >>Since i did NOT sent THIS message trough TOR to make sure that it had >a >>chance to come tough (at the expense of MY privacy) >> >> >> >> >> >>> Can i sue yahoo for falsely tagging my mails as spam? or better can >>TOR sue Yahoo? :-D and win and get a lot of money to put into >>development? >>> >>> please have a look at dmarc.org it tries to explain in lawyer-ish >>speak how the yahoo, gmail, facebook aol, paypal, ebay, amazon cartel >>teamed together to force people to 'autenticate' >>> >>> authenticate as in ...get a code that they can use to invade our >>privacy. (or is this my brain going into paranoia mode?) >>No spam filter is perfect. My advice: do something useful, dude, >>instead >>of suing people providing you a service for free. >> >> >> >>I know a way to block spam that is nearly perfect, though i'm not a >>developer, and don't have the skills to DIY it. I want to share this >>idea, and discuss the details. But first i need to see that someone >>grasps the concept. >> >> >>> can this be fixed? >>> >>> Or do we need a new email protocol that respects privacy by default, > >>decentralized, with whitelist and request to communicate and >eventually >>a blacklist to be able to block extreme cases. >>Privacy is a broad term. I guess privacy means anonymity here. Then >>your >>anonymity conflicts with my desire to throw away spam. How can I know >>whether a message is a spam without reading it? One method is when an >>algorithm reads the message. This method is employed in many mail >>services. It is not perfect, as you see. Another method is when I read > >>only messages digitally signed and from people which I trust. This >>method is more powerful than the previous and requires senders to >>reveal >>their identity. You see now? >> >>I *intentionally* use Gmail spam filter despite being able not to use >>it. Because 95% of messages in the spam folder are real spam. Because >>few people sign digitally their messages. >> >> >> >>Googles spamfilter SUCKS it does allow spam to arrive in your mailbox. >>My idea does NOT allow spammers to even contact you, maybe one time... > >>but after that you can block them for life... >> >>So spam doe not NEED a spambox when it doe not arrive, >>So phishing does not arrive (and know that your mailbox exists, simply >>because the spam did NOT bounce) >>So this is enough to keep your email addres on a spammers address >list? >> >> >>but this is only one part of the idea. But it is the most essential >>part.. >> >> >>> is it enough to move away from yahoo, or will the same stuff happen >>when using another email provider? >>At least, a mail service of a paid web hoster allows you to turn off >> >>spam filtering. >> >> >> >>But then it still allows spammers to send you spam on that address. >:-) >> >> >> >>catch 22222222 and a half. I'm looking for a real solution that >solves >>the CAUSE of the problem instead of 'pharmaceutical' medicating the >>effect, and keeping the cause where it is. (only to sell more crap to >>pamper the effect, and give you cancer on top of it that needs even >>more pharma shit) >> >> >>Is that a good way to describe it? >> >> >>-- >>tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org >>To unsubscribe or change other settings go to >>https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk >>-- >>tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org >>To unsubscribe or change other settings go to >>https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > >-- >Sincerly Flipchan > >-- >tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org >To unsubscribe or change other settings go to >https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk >-- >tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org >To unsubscribe or change other settings go to >https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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