Hi Leslie,
I'm also willing to maintain the HP OpenVMS scripts. Rather than create a whole new project (tomcat-contrib) maybe it would be possible for the Tomcat folks to grant us commit access to a single module/folder in their CVS library (a contrib folder of some sort). Then they wouldn't have to worry about committing our changes, etc.. If we misbehave and don't follow their rules, then they have the option to "boot us out". That's how the NetBeans project does it. For example, I have commit powers in the core module, which is where the OpenVMS launcher lives, but no other. Our needs for NetBeans (as yours, I'm sure) require that the default Tomcat distribution contain our launcher somewhere...it doesn't have to be in /bin.
It would be a good idea, but I don't think it is possible at the moment.
Commit access requires a unix account on a machine, at least for cvs. Even if this could be solved - there are non-technical problems, ASF requires a CLA, and a certain review and oversight process.
Ant has an ant-contrib project on sourceforge ( including few ant committers ). Maybe we should have a tomcat-contrib as well. This would
be a good idea even for committers - there is experimental stuff and code that is not necesarily "servlet container" but is tomcat related (
like non-http servers, etc ).
Costin
Any other ideas?
Meg
-----Original Message-----
From: Leslie Kishalmi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:29 PM
To: Shapira, Yoav
Cc: Tomcat Developers List; Garrison, Meg
Subject: Re: contrib directory
Dear all,
I'm willing to spend some of my limited free time to collect, organize and maintain these contributed code. However, it is very unlikely that I would be ever a committer on this project with my OS/2 launchers. So, as Yoav said, we could find an other committer. Or we could create an other project something like tomcat-contrib where we maintain our code.
Best regards, Leslie Kishalmi
Shapira, Yoav wrote:
Hi,
Yeah, it's gone for now. The reason is that the maintenance aspect is too hard for the long term. While I don't doubt the quality of you (or
anyone else's) work, nothing is perfect. It is inevitable that the scripts will need work. Even if you stay on top of it and keep submitting patches, someone will have to keep checking for them and applying them.
I'm not interested in doing that work, and other committers apparently aren't interested enough to even comment on what an appropriate place in CVS might be for these contributions. So I took them out for now.
That's not to say they're gone forever. I can see a couple of possible
solutions, and that's why I'm doing this thread on tomcat-dev as opposed to just replying to you personally.
One approach is what I'm doing now: contributed stuff is owned by authors (like you) who post it wherever they want (hp.com, personal web
sites, whatever), and we link to it from our FAQ and/or wiki pages. This approach solves the long-term maintenance concerns.
If this was a one-time effort, I would have done it and we'd be all set
by now. But it's not, and I just don't have the bandwidth to work it ;( Another approach is for someone else with commit privileges to say they're interested and do what they think is appropriate. That can happen at any time, I wouldn't stand in their way obviously, as I'm not
principally objecting to these contributions. I just don't have the bandwidth to deal with them at this point.
So this issue is not dead. It's just not going to be in 5.0.30/5.5.4.
We might also want to raise it on tomcat-user to see if people have other creative approaches to solving this.
Are you really going to take the contrib directory out? I was just about to make a contribution to you via PayPal as a thank you...
Thank you ;)
Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com
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