Thanks Leslie. Let me know if there's something I can do to help. Meg
-----Original Message----- From: Leslie Kishalmi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 6:33 AM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: Re: contrib directory I've requested a project named "tomcat-launcher", leaving the "tomcat-contrib" open, on SourceForge. It runs on Apache 2.0 License. I'll send a notification whether it would be approved or not. Best regards, Leslie Kishalmi Leslie Kishalmi wrote: > Dear all, > > I could tell the very same story with Ant, NetBeans, OS/2, CVS, as Meg. > I also agree that experimental should not be included or in an other > project. > tomcat-launcher and tomcat-contrib maybe? > > (Ant and ant-contrib is a different story. I think the tasks included > in ant-contrib violate the basic ant rule which says "ant is not a > script language".) > > Garrison, Meg wrote: > >> FWIW, we have recently contributed some OpenVMS-specific changes to >> Ant, which they accepted. We did not contribute to Ant-contrib. >> >> I've signed CLAs for NetBeans, there isn't an issue on this end with >> that. I assume the ASF CLA isn't all that different from the others. >> >> Also, I use cvs from my windows desktop machine to access the cvs >> server where the netbeans cvs library resides. Or, if you really >> mean we need a Unix machine, we have lots of those here at HP ;-) >> >> But, in any case, if the only consensus we can reach at this point is >> that a tomcat-contrib project would be the best place to host these >> sorts of files, then yes, let's do it :-) I personally would prefer >> that the tomcat-contrib project only contain contributions like mine >> and Leslie's because I think the NetBeans folks would be comfortable >> taking things like launchers, rather than experimental stuff, but I >> realize I don't really get a say in this. >> >> Meg >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Costin Manolache >> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 12:02 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: contrib directory >> >> Garrison, Meg wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Leslie, >>> >>> I'm also willing to maintain the HP OpenVMS scripts. Rather than >>> create a whole new project (tomcat-contrib) maybe it would be >>> possible >>> >> >> >> >> >>> for the Tomcat folks to grant us commit access to a single >>> module/folder in their CVS library (a contrib folder of some sort). >>> Then they wouldn't have to worry about committing our changes, etc.. >>> If we misbehave and don't follow their rules, then they have the >>> >> >> option to "boot us out". >> >> >>> That's how the NetBeans project does it. For example, I have commit >>> powers in the core module, which is where the OpenVMS launcher >>> lives, but no other. Our needs for NetBeans (as yours, I'm sure) >>> require that the default Tomcat distribution contain our launcher >>> somewhere...it doesn't have to be in /bin. >>> >> >> >> It would be a good idea, but I don't think it is possible at the moment. >> >> Commit access requires a unix account on a machine, at least for cvs. >> Even if this could be solved - there are non-technical problems, ASF >> requires a CLA, and a certain review and oversight process. >> >> Ant has an ant-contrib project on sourceforge ( including few ant >> committers ). Maybe we should have a tomcat-contrib as well. This >> would be a good idea even for committers - there is experimental >> stuff and code that is not necesarily "servlet container" but is >> tomcat related ( like non-http servers, etc ). >> >> >> >> Costin >> >> >> >> >>> Any other ideas? >>> >>> Meg >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Leslie Kishalmi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:29 PM >>> To: Shapira, Yoav >>> Cc: Tomcat Developers List; Garrison, Meg >>> Subject: Re: contrib directory >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I'm willing to spend some of my limited free time to collect, >>> organize and maintain these contributed code. >>> However, it is very unlikely that I would be ever a committer on >>> this project with my OS/2 launchers. >>> So, as Yoav said, we could find an other committer. Or we could >>> create >>> >> >> >> >> >>> an other project something like tomcat-contrib where we maintain our >>> code. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Leslie Kishalmi >>> >>> Shapira, Yoav wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> Yeah, it's gone for now. The reason is that the maintenance aspect >>>> is >>>> >>> >> >> >> >>>> too hard for the long term. While I don't doubt the quality of you >>>> (or >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> anyone else's) work, nothing is perfect. It is inevitable that the >>>> scripts will need work. Even if you stay on top of it and keep >>>> submitting patches, someone will have to keep checking for them and >>>> applying them. >>>> >>>> I'm not interested in doing that work, and other committers >>>> apparently >>>> >>> >> >> >> >>>> aren't interested enough to even comment on what an appropriate >>>> place in CVS might be for these contributions. So I took them out >>>> for now. >>>> >>>> That's not to say they're gone forever. I can see a couple of >>>> possible >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> solutions, and that's why I'm doing this thread on tomcat-dev as >>>> opposed to just replying to you personally. >>>> >>>> One approach is what I'm doing now: contributed stuff is owned by >>>> authors (like you) who post it wherever they want (hp.com, personal >>>> web >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> sites, whatever), and we link to it from our FAQ and/or wiki pages. >>>> This approach solves the long-term maintenance concerns. >>>> >>>> If this was a one-time effort, I would have done it and we'd be all >>>> set >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> by now. But it's not, and I just don't have the bandwidth to work >>>> it ;( Another approach is for someone else with commit privileges >>>> to say they're interested and do what they think is appropriate. >>>> That can happen at any time, I wouldn't stand in their way >>>> obviously, as I'm not >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> principally objecting to these contributions. I just don't have >>>> the bandwidth to deal with them at this point. >>>> >>>> So this issue is not dead. It's just not going to be in 5.0.30/5.5.4. >>>> We might also want to raise it on tomcat-user to see if people have >>>> other creative approaches to solving this. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Are you really going to take the contrib directory out? I was >>>>> just about to make a contribution to you via PayPal as a thank you... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you ;) >>>> >>>> Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business >>>> >>> >>> communication, and may contain information that is confidential, >>> proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the >>> individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, >>> printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. 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