Dear all,
I've walked almost the same path with OS/2 on the NetBeans side as Meg with OpenVMS. A new sourceforge project could be a working idea. As then both TomCat and maybe "tomcat-contrib" would be a third-party stuff for NetBeans. So we might convince them to include this into their release (4.1 earliest).
Best regards, Leslie Kishalmi
Shapira, Yoav wrote:
Hi, Another option for now is to setup a SourceForge project for this. I'd be glad to link to it from our docs/FAQs/wiki pages. You (two) could be its committers, and we could work together to get additional contributors setup there.
There has to be a critical mass...
Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com
I-----Original Message----- From: Garrison, Meg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 9:18 AM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: RE: contrib directory
why not put it in the NetBeans repository where you're already setup?
I'm only setup to commit to the /core module, which is not where the Tomcat files are found.
Actually, we started out in the direction of contributing our Tomcat changes to NetBeans, see http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=49420
And we contributed patches to NetBeans to start Tomcat on OpenVMS and a
catalina.com to be placed in the tomcat bin directory that NetBeans
ships. The NetBeans folks told us they'd prefer we make the launcher
contributions to Tomcat, since that's where they belong...which is why
repositoryopened http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=31499
against Tomcat.
Meg -----Original Message----- From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:53 AM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: RE: contrib directory
Hi,
That actually gave me an idea: why not put it in the NetBeans
thewhere you're already setup?
In Apache, there needs to be a long-demonstrated background of contributions before getting commit privileges. We have different processes in this area than NetBeans and some of the other open-source collaborations.
Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com
create-----Original Message----- From: Garrison, Meg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 7:03 AM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: RE: contrib directory
Hi Leslie,
I'm also willing to maintain the HP OpenVMS scripts. Rather than
a whole new project (tomcat-contrib) maybe it would be possible for
thatTomcat folks to grant us commit access to a single module/folder in
their CVS library (a contrib folder of some sort). Then they wouldn't
have to worry about committing our changes, etc.. If we misbehave and
don't follow their rules, then they have the option to "boot us out".
That's how the NetBeans project does it. For example, I have commit
powers in the core module, which is where the OpenVMS launcher lives,
but no other. Our needs for NetBeans (as yours, I'm sure) require
isorganizethe default Tomcat distribution contain our launcher somewhere...it doesn't have to be in /bin.
Any other ideas?
Meg
-----Original Message----- From: Leslie Kishalmi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:29 PM To: Shapira, Yoav Cc: Tomcat Developers List; Garrison, Meg Subject: Re: contrib directory
Dear all,
I'm willing to spend some of my limited free time to collect,
and maintain these contributed code. However, it is very unlikely that I would be ever a committer on this project with my OS/2 launchers. So, as Yoav said, we could find an other committer. Or we could create an other project something like tomcat-contrib where we maintain our code.
Best regards, Leslie Kishalmi
Shapira, Yoav wrote:
Hi,
Yeah, it's gone for now. The reason is that the maintenance aspect
apparently(ortoo hard for the long term. While I don't doubt the quality of you
anyone else's) work, nothing is perfect. It is inevitable that the scripts will need work. Even if you stay on top of it and keep submitting patches, someone will have to keep checking for them and applying them.
I'm not interested in doing that work, and other committers
5.0.30/5.5.4.possiblearen't interested enough to even comment on what an appropriate place in CVS might be for these contributions. So I took them out for now.
That's not to say they're gone forever. I can see a couple of
websolutions, and that's why I'm doing this thread on tomcat-dev as opposed to just replying to you personally.
One approach is what I'm doing now: contributed stuff is owned by
authors (like you) who post it wherever they want (hp.com, personal
setsites, whatever), and we link to it from our FAQ and/or wiki pages. This approach solves the long-term maintenance concerns.
If this was a one-time effort, I would have done it and we'd be all
notby now. But it's not, and I just don't have the bandwidth to work it
;( Another approach is for someone else with commit privileges to say
they're interested and do what they think is appropriate. That can
happen at any time, I wouldn't stand in their way obviously, as I'm
principally objecting to these contributions. I just don't have the bandwidth to deal with them at this point.
So this issue is not dead. It's just not going to be in
communication, and may contain information that is confidential,We might also want to raise it on tomcat-user to see if people have other creative approaches to solving this.
Are you really going to take the contrib directory out? I was just about to make a contribution to you via PayPal as a thank you...
Thank you ;)
Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com
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