Pier Fumagalli wrote:
> "GOMEZ Henri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
>>>>I'm like you and use exotic OS, OS/400, where
>>>>autoconf/automake/libtool didn't works (yet ?).
>>>
>>>If autoconf/libtool doesn't work, then you can't even build
>>>APR, you can't
>>>build Apache, therefore you don't f***ing need mod_webapp, k?
>>
>>On AS/400, APR and Apache 2.0 are build by IBM, from snapshots
>>with in-house cross-compiling tools, so they don't have to build
>>them on AS/400.
>>
>>Apache 2.0 is present on AS/400 as a standard component.
>>Currently you have on recent AS/400 something derived from 2.0.18 beta.
>>
>>The sad thing is that IBM didn't report the AS/400 specific patches
>>they apply to a snapshot back to ASF.
>>
>>Now that 2.0.35 is GA, they will certainly make a new release.
> 
> 
> Good if _they_ build it over there, _they_  can build the modules as well.
> When IBM will contribute back their build stuff to Apache 2.0 and APR, maybe
> we can think about that...
> 
> 
>>>>Each tool in java which could replace them is a
>>>>big plus for me ;)
>>>
>>>Each tool which can replace them and is a PITA to maintain, or requires
>>>hyperknowledges of XML and tagets, build properties and such, whose
>>>configuration file is 40 lines to do what I do in 3 lines of
>>>shell script
>>>will always be a HUGE -1 from me...
>>
>>So why are we using ant in jakarta instead of smaller makefiles ?)
> 
> 
> F**K: because those are TWO different things! I never said ANYTHING about
> building the webapp classes with ANT when those were build with Tomcat.
> Building 10000 java class files and no C is different from building
> APR+mod_webapp and maaaayyyybeeeee 10 java classes in ONE package...
> 
> Different requirement, different tools...
> 
> 
>>ant is a great tool and it will be a PITA to avoid using it
>>when it's a valid alternative to old like autoconf/automake/libtool/m4.
>>
>>ant is ASF after all and run on all OS, so it's a good reason to use
>>it when possible. jkant (in jtc) is a good example of native-interaction
>>module which boost ant...
> 
> 
> 
> Go and build APR on 20something different OSes with ANT, and we'll see
> what's a PITA.


Probably you even do not need 20 Oses to get a PITA... Because there are always 
more than one compiler per OS.

Libtool also has history: it "supports" old versions of OSes and compilers...

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