On 1/18/01 2:49 AM, "Paulo Gaspar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To be clear, I am fed up that Jon:
> - tells everybody what they should do;
> - judges and condemns people without knowing how their lives are (as with,
> but not only, the several remarks about people not dialing-in in the PMC
> meeting);
> - makes dirty insinuations about others professional lives;
> - flames people;
> - bullies people;
> - etc.
Jon isn't the most polite of people sometimes, but he does have valid
concerns wrt stability and following the rules that we have at the ASF. If
you disagree with what somebody says, it is easy to just say that they
aren't making sense. It takes two to fight, and you are doing more than your
share.
As far as the dial-ins -- I'm disappointed as well that they were not as
well used as they could have been. Real money was spent in order to set up
that conference call and it doesn't bode well that it was barely used. I
understand it wasn't perfect and in the future we need to entertain ideas of
how to do this better. But, we can't perform *all* communication via email
-- and knowing people face to face *so* improves communication. We'll have
to work on this... However, if you feel that strongly, you could have asked
about us dialing you or any number of alternatives... Nobody asked about
this during the set up so I assumed that the call-in setup was going to be
good.
> He always wants to have the last word. Usually (because he is part of the
> clique?) no one asks him to stop. So, this time, I have just kept answering
> to him to see what happens.
Jon was around since *way* back in Jserv days. Does that make him part of
the clique? Probably. Face it, cliques happen. Open Source is built on trust
more than anything else and Jon has built up more Open Source projects than
I can keep track of.
I won't ask Jon to stop arguing just like I won't ask Costin or Craig. It
may more may not be constructive, but email is the mechanism that we have
and flames are par for course. The point at which to ask people to stop is
when posts cross the line and become "harassment".
> It surprises me that, instead of asking Jon (the PMC member that should set
> the example) to stop, you are asking me.
So as a PMC member, he shouldn't voice an opinion? That's akin to what I've
been told that as PMC chair, I have to put my opinions aside. That of course
is utter bs. If you're on the PMC, it's because you are supposed to *have*
an opinion.
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James Duncan Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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