Again, you could have made just the same remaks about Jon's
activity in this list.
I know I am acting sily by going for the last word just as he does,
but I wanted to see what would happen if someone else does the same.
I am a no one here. I can aford doing this here. I would like to see
this kind of thing complain being made about Jon too. The list was
going fine without his help.
Besides AFAIK (being me):
- I only remember acting this way with Jon;
- I strongly defend my oppinions but (except for now) always drop
a non productive thread;
- I don't remember to talk about my skils in a way that could be
taken as "self agrandisement".
In general, what you say sounds a rather partial judgement but I am
not going to start saying how Jon is the bad guy and I am the good
one.
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thom May [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 11:56
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Forming an opinion
>
>
> * Paulo Gaspar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote on Thu Jan 18,
> 2001 at 11:49:41 +0100:
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Remy Maucherat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 04:29
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 20:17
> > > > >
> > > > > on 1/17/01 10:28 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Why was it one of your worst days? I don't see how it
> could have been
> > > bad,
> > > > > nor do I see how that could influence your actions here by
> > > > > starting to send yet more flame bait.
> > > >
> > > > And, of course, you are biting the bait, the hook, the line...
> > > >
> > > > Enough was already said about that. Sam, Hans, Amy and I
> managed to talk
> > > > about it with no flames and Costin already apologized.
> > > >
> > > > What are you missing?
> > >
> > > However, I cannot say the same thing about you. Frankly,
> could you just
> > > *stop* that ? I don't think you fully realize it, but you're
> not helping
> > > either Costin or this project in any way by getting into this
> pointless
> > > discussion (other than proving to me that you are way more
> childish than
> > > what you think Jon is).
> >
> > It as nothing to do with Costin and all to do with Jon.
> I think actually it has rather more to do with you, Paulo. While I am not,
> am very unlikely to be, anything to do with the tomcat project -
> nothing against it,
> just my java coding sucks, which is why I'm a sysadmin ;) - I'm
> beginning to get
> _very_ fed up with your attitude. I can understand Costin's wish
> to release his
> "baby" as the next version of tomcat 3.x. I can certainly
> understand Jon and
> Craig's concerns as to supporting that baby, and wanting to move
> on with Tomcat-4.
> However. I have not seen anything from you recently except flame
> bait. FUD and
> self agrandisement.
> On a quick count of the last year or so's emails to tomcat-dev, I
> can see about
> 10 "useful" emails from you. And many times that number of
> pointless flames
> that (a) are mostly personal attacks (b) all say _exactly_ the same thing,
> and (c) are mostly instances of wanting the last word.
> >
> > I only reply to what Jon says. I already explicitly said that
> and I clearly
> > stated that I will stop when he stops.
> >
> > To be clear, I am fed up that Jon:
> (does stuff, most of which you are also guilty of too)
> >
> > He always wants to have the last word. Usually (because he is
> part of the
> > clique?) no one asks him to stop. So, this time, I have just
> kept answering
> > to him to see what happens.
> Warped perception of reality? How does saying _exactly_ the same
> thing each
> time count as replying? that's not debating, that's just a
> (pointless) attack.
> I agree that Jon comes across fairly strongly, but he makes an attempt to
> answer people honestly and accurately, which is all a reasonable
> person can want.
>
> Can everyone _please_ try to take a step back and a deep breath?
> I note the cvs
> commits are almost non-existant at the moment, and this is
> obviously not an
> ideal situation for people like me who would like to be able to
> roll out a
> Servlet 2.3 based environment.
> Cheers,
> Thom
>
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